CO & XE fined $50k each, XJ fined $75k for RST drama.

And Mesaba got $75k in fines because it was their ground crew that refused to open then airport gate to let people off. I hope heads rolled for that one.
 
LoadMasterC141 said:
And Mesaba got $75k in fines because it was their ground crew that refused to open then airport gate to let people off. I hope heads rolled for that one.
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It seems like Mesaba are the real ones at fault. I read that the ExpressJet captain was begging to be let in the airport.
 
$100k!!!??? Senior management will no doubt be brown bagging it next week. Or maybe they'll furlough four more junior FOs...
 
I heard about this at the airport today. However a gate agent was misinforming a passanger it was a MESA getting sued, because it was their plane opperating for DELTA in ROCHESTER, NY and thats why UA didn't renew the YV contracts.
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Some people should just keep their mouths shut.
 
As pax on that flight I would have personally opened the emergency exit - I believe escaping false imprisonment is just.
 
I_Money said:
As pax on that flight I would have personally opened the emergency exit - I believe escaping false imprisonment is just.
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That's a tough call. If you were being misinformed by the airlines that the big bad TSA would haul off to a place worse than Guantanamo if you set a toe on the pavement, maybe not.
 
I would not be surprised to have some explaining, wear the silver bracelets - but the reality is it is false imprisonment and you could affectively file fairly appealing legal action.
 
I_Money said:
but the reality is it is false imprisonment
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Actually, in a legal sense it's not. You paid for a seat. You put yourself in the airplane.

I don't really blame the captain all that much but I'd like to think other crews may have taken a more hardline stance, found an open door and got ALL the passengers in side. They aren't go to arrest everybody.
 
I bet you any Colgan 1900 guy in the Northeast could have told you that the ramp agents were dead wrong about that TSA provision. You can ALWAYS let them out of security areas, you just can't get them back in.

I do find it hilarious the CO and XE did absolutely nothing to help out the situation by blowing through the 3 hour mark and then doing absolutely nothing. I bet any airline, including mine, would have done the same. I've worked as a dispatcher and as an ops manager, what xpressjet operations did was braindead. No offense to the pilots, and I understand it's monday quarterbacking, but the ops book says after three hours you go into emergency mode to get those pax off. Of course, if everyone has heard all this soap boxing before then I apologize in advance.
 
I've personally broken into two airports in Part 121 operations. One was in ALB with passengers, the other time was in CRW at about 0345 AM.

I was a FO on both flights, but the Captains do post on here.
 
What's the legal basis for fining the airlines? It's not a 14 CFR 121 violation at all, is it?
 
Very interesting reading, especially the one to Mesaba. IMHO, I think Mesaba got railroaded. The question posed is; was Mesaba acting as an air carrier by offering ground suport? Here's the blurb in question:

Mesaba is an air carrier as defined by 49 U.S.C. § 40102(a)(2),1 which subjects the carrier to the prohibitions against unfair and deceptive practices in air transportation contained in 49 U.S.C. § 41712, when the carrier is engaged in air transportation.
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As explained by the DOT I don't believe that Mesaba was engaged in air transportation; but was purely operating in a ground hadling capacity.

Express Jet:
http://www.regulations.gov/search/R...a5dbbd&disposition=attachment&contentType=pdf

Continental:
http://www.regulations.gov/search/R...a5dbbb&disposition=attachment&contentType=pdf

Mesaba:
http://www.regulations.gov/search/R...a5dbb9&disposition=attachment&contentType=pdf
 
Seggy said:
I've personally broken into two airports in Part 121 operations. One was in ALB with passengers, the other time was in CRW at about 0345 AM.

I was a FO on both flights, but the Captains do post on here.
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LOL! The Man is going to come get you Seg! :D
 
I'm sure the money goes to the government, but I personally think it is rather unfair to the pax that they were forced to stay on like that, people were fined and the monies were paid, and the pax get NOTHING out of it except a terrible experience.
 
surreal1221 said:
Too low of a fine.
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Actually they only have to pay half that; as long as they come up with new procedures and training to prevent this from happening again. The other half is credited by the DOT to cover the cost associated with coming up with; and implementing the new procedures, and the training associted with those new procedures!;)
 
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