Co-pilot of doomed Buffalo Flight 3407, was paid $16,000 yr

[KLB]

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But they outsource! They outsource to Amflight, Airnet, Mountain Air Cargo. Hell, those ATRs should be flown by Fedex pilots! I don't care if it has a prop.

The big difference is that scope at FedEx and UPS is locked in solid. It is highly unlikely that AMF will be flying anything larger than a Brasilia for UPS and it's highly unlikely the largest Fedex feeder will be an ATR or something similar. While the largest regional aircraft comes eerily close to the size of a 737.

Well, not getting into this with you. . .but. . .

They outsource to provides who have the resources available to fly legs with appropriate equipment that the company does not currently utilize.

Well they did relax some scope though. UPS did their own flying back when they first started operating their airlines. A lot of the metros that AMF have tail numbers actually are in XXXUP or XXXDH. I wet dream is that UPS buys AMF out and do their own feeder flying again. It will never happen.

 

[BobDDuck]

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Folks, this is what the "up and out" mentality does to regional airline pay. I'm definitely guilty of this kind of thinking as well. Now that we're all stuck here for the next couple years, maybe that mentality will change aleast alittle.

I'm sorry to hear you will be stuck where you are for a bit but you have NO idea how glad I am to hear you've changed your thinking.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

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In 1996 we had a 10-leg sunday shift in the Jetstream 31. (no autopilot, no F/A).
JST-PIT-AOO-PIT-JST-PIT-JST-PIT-AOO-PIT-JST

I don't remember how much I got paid, but I think it was in the neighborhood of $16000 per year.

 

[dcramer16]

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Anybody do 8 legs?

I used to do 7 legs, and anywhere from 5-10 min turnarounds. But that was in a Baron.

 

[SpiraMirabilis]

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I've done 8 legs once. A lot of DEN-ASE and DEN-COS

 

[Bumblebee]

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I've done 8 legs once. A lot of DEN-ASE and DEN-COS

in the Bro?

 

[SpiraMirabilis]

Re: Co-pilot of doomed Buffalo Flight 3407, was paid $16,000

Dash.

 

[High_Alpha]

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10 legs plus a deadhead. And I know people who've operated 11.

 

[Bumblebee]

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OK...the 10 and 8 leg people...regional?

Anyone in the majors do greater than 5 legs?

 

[granlistillo]

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Unfortunatly, the last line the repoter speaks says it all, "In order for pilot compensation to change it has to start with a strong recomendation from the NTSB, and the public has to get involved as well, and demand that pilots be paid more. " Does anybody think the public or the NTSB will really do this. I for one think it will never happen.

I read the entire 3407 transcript and as remember both pilots were looking for greener pastures. I think this is a pretty common occurrence in regional cockpits. I think the feeling coming out of this investigation or at least the focus in the media was that this crew was not focused on their jobs, and might not take it that seriously. While not condoning any lapse in professionalism in the cockpit, I would say the proverbial "give a hoot" meter with MANY regional pilots is stuck at zero. Sometimes you get what you pay for...

But how does any of the above translate into a cause for 3407? It doesn't unfortunately.

 

[MikeD]

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I read the entire 3407 transcript and as remember both pilots were looking for greener pastures. I think this is a pretty common occurrence in regional cockpits. I think the feeling coming out of this investigation or at least the focus in the media was that this crew was not focused on their jobs, and might not take it that seriously. While not condoning any lapse in professionalism in the cockpit, I would say the proverbial "give a hoot" meter with MANY regional pilots is stuck at zero. Sometimes you get what you pay for...

But how does any of the above translate into a cause for 3407? It doesn't unfortunately.

They're definitely tertiary factors. But the hard, non-judgemental, truth is that a perfectly good airplane was flown into the ground by its crew. And we peel back the onion from there.

 

[granlistillo]

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They're definitely tertiary factors. But the hard, non-judgemental, truth is that a perfectly good airplane was flown into the ground by its crew. And we peel back the onion from there.

I totally agree, and yes it would be interesting to debate underlying causes. Personally I would rather have a crew trying to make this their "best leg ever ", when my family is in the back.

The reality is they may be worrying about getting the hotel van at the airport in the in range call, and yes we will take the straight in with a gusty tailwind up to the limit to shave 5 mins off the flight so they can get 6 hrs of sleep to do it all over again.

I will settle for them not stalling the airplane and getting them their safely.

If the reporters new the real truth in this industry, what a story it would make.

 

[mshunter]

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If the reporters new the real truth in this industry, what a story it would make.

Mabey it's time they find out.....

 

[derg]

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OK...the 10 and 8 leg people...regional?

Anyone in the majors do greater than 5 legs?

I'd do six sometimes in the mad dog touring the 'burgs and the 'villes.

 

[seaav8tor]

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ouch

 

[Bumblebee]

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ouch

the above attachment is a low brow cartoon attack on the Captain of 3407. Just thought you might want to know before viewing.

 

[seaav8tor]

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the above attachment is a low brow cartoon attack on the Captain of 3407. Just thought you might want to know before viewing.

That's why I said "Ouch"

 

[WacoFan]

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ouch

This simply disgusts me. The man has a family that suffered the heartbreak of the mans death, has watched him take the blame for the crash at the hearing this week, and now has his death used as a lampoon in cartoons. This seriously bothers me.

Yes, he messed up. The accident was clearly pilot error. That doesn't mean it is ok to use this event as a cartoon.

 

[The Gardener]

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This simply disgusts me. The man has a family that suffered the heartbreak of the mans death, has watched him take the blame for the crash at the hearing this week, and now has his death used as a lampoon in cartoons. This seriously bothers me.

Yes, he messed up. The accident was clearly pilot error. That doesn't mean it is ok to use this event as a cartoon.

Well said and thank you. That is pretty messed up. I can't imagine it is fare to point a finger at that guy. You don't know what you don't know. I can only hope this will eventually help the aviation community.

 

[thepedroid]

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I haven't commented at all in this thread because of my lack of experience. I will however say that it is a damn shame that someone would mock up a cartoon like that. That thing was despicable and I hope the artist gets some flak for it.