L-16B
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You got me nailed here, I live at home with mommy and daddy, and sis and the dogs. Love it too, i spend 80% of my time off traveling with my gf going places we have never been.
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You got me nailed here, I live at home with mommy and daddy, and sis and the dogs. Love it too, i spend 80% of my time off traveling with my gf going places we have never been.
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
I am hardly looking forward to this. I'm not sure I really know anybody here who is excited...
I wonder what mainline said when they gave up scope the first time around...
seems fitting though.
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
Today, EWR-DCA dodging T-storms, 73 passengers. Block 1:06, flight 0:49. Block fuel 2.1k, flight burn 1.9k We were stuck at 12,000. Had we gotten up to 16-18,000 it would likely have been a bit lower.
USMC-SSGT
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I figured those guys would not take the upgrade based on the fact that they have all passed up upgrade before. They are all banking on a dash 8 upgrade but with the exception of KH none of them are senior enough to hold it and probably wont be until they start training for it.
I was banking on at least two of the guys taking it as well to offset the base closures. Out of ORF and ALB I will go down 2 more in EWR. Oh well, could be worse, alot of guys will be going down 8 or more. I feel bad for the bottom of our seniority list, they will NEVER hold lines at this pace.
I was banking on at least two of the guys taking it as well to offset the base closures. Out of ORF and ALB I will go down 2 more in EWR. Oh well, could be worse, alot of guys will be going down 8 or more. I feel bad for the bottom of our seniority list, they will NEVER hold lines at this pace.
L-16B
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While I would never wish that on anyone, its a point. My dad would kick the living crap out of me if I ever passed on an upgrade. This does bring the question though - will they need to hire street captains? It's only 1 or 2 airplanes a month, so I would think that there would be enough qualified FO's....
The link you are looking for. The numbers include salary, benefits, and training.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi090610carriers_wgfx,0,5963919.htmlpagehttp://www.ktiv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8229083&nav=menu1474_12_1
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
PCL's staffing it now. They won't hire street CAs. They'll just JM and extend until half the seniority list is fatigued or timing out. Why worry about people timing out in December? That's what reserves are for. I shudder to think what my Nov/Dec schedule is gonna look like around here. Rumor has it the "big fall cut" is gonna be closer to "big fall status quo."
BE19Pilot
Flying a Box
I don't think that managment will have alot of trouble finding people to fly the "Q", BUT most of those people enthusiastically swarming to it won't be CJC pilots with a couple or more years of employment here. The program is and was a mess from the beginning, but it is on the mend. However, the stigma exists and I even avert my eyes from it when I see it in DCA. Not that it isn't an outstanding airplane (which it is), rather what it represents to me in my own thoughts.
There is a lot of work ahead to train, heal and lead this pilot group. We will find out very, very soon just how serious this new group of managers is about changing the culture of this company. Colgan Air, and indeed Pinnacle Air Holdings is at a fork in the road. Will the previous two-faced negotiating policies continue? Or will the managers at the VP level realize that the airline cannot and will not function either efficently or safely if the present tone doesn't change.
My advice would be for anyone considering employment here to weigh all the options very carefully. Be prepared to be under heavey scrutiny from both management and to a lesser degree your fellow Colgan pilots. Having said that, I will also point out that we have some really good pilots here in spite of what some people say or think.
There is a lot of work ahead to train, heal and lead this pilot group. We will find out very, very soon just how serious this new group of managers is about changing the culture of this company. Colgan Air, and indeed Pinnacle Air Holdings is at a fork in the road. Will the previous two-faced negotiating policies continue? Or will the managers at the VP level realize that the airline cannot and will not function either efficently or safely if the present tone doesn't change.
My advice would be for anyone considering employment here to weigh all the options very carefully. Be prepared to be under heavey scrutiny from both management and to a lesser degree your fellow Colgan pilots. Having said that, I will also point out that we have some really good pilots here in spite of what some people say or think.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Are they (or did they) do a safety audit with a third party group over there? That's going on right now, and they're promising to release the results to us once the audit is over. Unfortunately, it smacks more of a "Look! We're doing something!" for Congress than an actual desire to improve the safety at the airline. If they were actually interested in improving safety, I doubt I would have had to write up a brake wear pin today that was written up two days ago as well.....
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
Yea, we had an audit.... The only thing that has changed since then was a reduction to min days off for reserve holders, so that when the line holders get tired they can run a rsv guy min rest for 6 on 1 off. Supprisingly the q's really tend to break a lot when you've got pissed off, worked over, tired pilots at the helm.
BE19Pilot
Flying a Box
An interesting coincidence concerning 3 of our flight operations managment people...
V.P. of Operations...left 121 for a number of years, ande returned to take the job here at CJC.
Mgr. of Safety...left 121 and is back now as a suit flying a desk
Mgr. of Crewmember and Dispatch..left 121 to run a bar and is back flying a desk
Interesting bunch, I really don't think we should expect much from this group of people. They may seem like nice people, here to help and do a good job...However, I wouldn't buy it hook-line-and-sinker. There is no way CJC is going to have a group of line qualified, pilot-centric managers...That would be too much like leading from the front and we can't have these poor guys actually away from home or working for a living.
V.P. of Operations...left 121 for a number of years, ande returned to take the job here at CJC.
Mgr. of Safety...left 121 and is back now as a suit flying a desk
Mgr. of Crewmember and Dispatch..left 121 to run a bar and is back flying a desk
Interesting bunch, I really don't think we should expect much from this group of people. They may seem like nice people, here to help and do a good job...However, I wouldn't buy it hook-line-and-sinker. There is no way CJC is going to have a group of line qualified, pilot-centric managers...That would be too much like leading from the front and we can't have these poor guys actually away from home or working for a living.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
Hey, I'll be at the kremlin/colgan strip for recurrent this week. Let me know if you're nearby, I'll buy ya a beer!
v1valarob
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Im at new market today through Wednesday.
L-16B
Well-Known Member
My dad would kick the living crap out of me if I ever went to work for a regional.
You kidding me? My dad and all his airline buddies hand picked Colgan for me ( I didn't have the slightest clue on the 121 world, much less regionals ). All I knew is when I was a kid my dad was a pilot for SWA, and it seemed like he was always home and we were always flying our cub, and flying was the golden job. It's actually comical, because when I bitch about something at Colgan, he says "just go talk to your chief pilot and he'll fix it, that's what he's there for". Nope, not here. My old man is waaaaay out of touch with 121 and regionals.
wick81
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Can't say much about the first two people, but I'll vouch for the third guy. He's a good guy.
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
H46Bubba
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They probably were thinking it was like the old Colgan when the Colgans were in charge and it was a tight knit family run airline. Didn't need a union, everyone was on a personal level with the Colgans and the upgrade time was quick.