CJC Growth

All I am going to say is good luck to all of us, we all need it.......

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I REALLY have a thing for Swedish Women.......


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I don't want my gf to be on the street :(

I heard last night that SP, RM, and FS all got called for SAAB upgrade and all declined it...... Lame.
 
Clocks said:
Industry leading contract today = undercut tomorrow.
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At mesaba we are getting cut down not because of our pay. Delta is simply willing to park anything that moves if they can great an excuse, and the saab's were making plenty of money for us and I was getting paid well for it. I don't know what eagles rates were, but I know as a 2nd year guy I was getting paid more than a 5th year guy at Colgan AND I was getting per diem.

They are going to cut you down one way or the other (mesa), you might as well make as much money as possible while times are good. It's feast or famine, not famine or kinda famine.
 
wheelsup said:
Customers hate props more than the 50 seat RJ. They are noisy, slow, fly low, don't have jetways, infer the "commuter" image, etc.
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I've been following this thread and yes that is true!

My parents and a few of their friends flew on a Q400 operated by Lufthansa Cityline in EU and absolutely hated it. I was surprsied to hear my dad say that because he doesn't have a preference for jets or tprops usually.

Then they brought up a Saab 340 that they flew on and said it was very uncomfortable.
Yet, no complaint on the small CRJ200.

Just throwing some info out there.
 
The interesting thing is, I fully expect management to go with the most economical/low cost route available to them. I do not blame them... It makes complete sense to go with an aircraft that carries 24 more seats for the same (or a bit less) fuel burn. Also, you have crew costs, which mentioned before is not only related to pay rates. You should factor in customer service/comfort, but I do not ride on Colgan, so I can't comment on how they compare to anyone else.

It's not the fact management is going with the "cheaper" airline that really angers me. It's the fact that those who work for the "cheaper" airline relish in the fact that they are seeing growth and upgrades at the expense of other pilots. Especially at the expense of pilots who have fought the good fight to get a decent contract, which the Colgan pilots I talk to hope to obtain. Basically, you want the growth, the money, the benefits, but those who raised the bar before you are "too expensive now" and get shoved to the side.

If there is ANY reason I want out of the airline industry, this is it. I can deal with the management/labor contemptuous relationships, because it's somewhat expected. I just never expected to see this supposed "brotherhood of pilots" that we all talk about just a myth. Actually, it's not completely a myth... It's a reality when it benefits us, but pushed aside when we need to stomp the other person to move forward.

I hate to by cynical, but I know for a fact that we will never see a true pilot union. Not in this deregulated, capitalistic bloodbath.
 
wheelsup said:
Customers hate props more than the 50 seat RJ. They are noisy, slow, fly low, don't have jetways, infer the "commuter" image, etc.
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But see, this is the US airline industry. It's not about what the customer wants, it's about what the customer gets.

I used to believe this was a career in customer service that allowed us to fly airplanes. I'm beginning to believe it is nothing more than mass transportation.
 
Snuggle said:
Oh you're just getting greedy Matt.

Actually, I was banking on SP taking it before you show up in EWR. haha
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LOL. Is SP ever gonna upgrade? PS, please call him the Emperor of Bar Harbor for me. I miss those days.

Edit: any stories he tells about me while in training are completely false. In addition, I do not talk in my sleep, and I did not strike out with every girl in BHB.
 
OldTownPilot said:
So on a seat mile basis one Q flight (because of the extra 24 seats) saves 1500 pph (half of an RJs burn), plus another 100-200 pph (the actual burn difference) for a total of 1600-1700 pph (almost 250 gph). Bulk price on jet fuel is a bit over $3/gal right now for a fuel savings of $750 on a seat mile basis for every Q flight (assuming that 2 Q's replace 3 50 seat RJs), not the $3500 that TnT claimed.
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$1500, not $3500.

Taxi burn on an RJ in EWR?
Climb Burn? a 1 hour flight in total for me seems to burn about 2600lbs - 2800lbs. Taxi, take off and land. From Initial descent in, we burn 800-1400pph. Climb fuel is close to 4000pph, but we climb for 6-11 minutes. a nd Cruise is 24-2600pph. Some guys rrun it at barber pole... burning an extra 2-300pph, but that only gets you like an extra 3-5kts.

Im not sure about the other Q guys, but I've had to use J routes many times... and I'd put our normal load factor at 60+ pax

How much does it cost to get 60 people to PWM in an RJ? How much does it cost to get 60 people to pwm in Q?
 
TUCKnTRUCK said:
Taxi burn on an RJ in EWR?
Climb Burn? a 1 hour flight in total for me seems to burn about 2600lbs - 2800lbs. Taxi, take off and land. From Initial descent in, we burn 800-1400pph. Climb fuel is close to 4000pph, but we climb for 6-11 minutes. a nd Cruise is 24-2600pph. Some guys rrun it at barber pole... burning an extra 2-300pph, but that only gets you like an extra 3-5kts.

Im not sure about the other Q guys, but I've had to use J routes many times... and I'd put our normal load factor at 60+ pax

How much does it cost to get 60 people to PWM in an RJ? How much does it cost to get 60 people to pwm in Q?
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Taxi gas in the ERJ is about 400/lb/hr (Single Engine), if you want to run the APU it's another 130lbs/hr roughly.

A 50 minute flight in the RJ will burn about 2800-3000lbs...

It's tough to get exact figures for how much we burn, so much depends on altitude. At 370 it's 1200pph/side....At 280 it's closer to 1600pph/side in both cases TAS is about 450kts. Descents done well are 400pph/side at 450kts till the low 20s where speed starts to drop off.
 
Baronman said:
Taxi gas in the ERJ is about 400/lb/hr (Single Engine), if you want to run the APU it's another 130lbs/hr roughly.
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I know 9E's fuel burn might be half as much if they ever sign a contract. CRJ is about the same. APU might run a little less on the gas....assuming it isn't deferred.
 
FlyChicaga said:
The interesting thing is, I fully expect management to go with the most economical/low cost route available to them. I do not blame them... It makes complete sense to go with an aircraft that carries 24 more seats for the same (or a bit less) fuel burn. Also, you have crew costs, which mentioned before is not only related to pay rates. You should factor in customer service/comfort, but I do not ride on Colgan, so I can't comment on how they compare to anyone else.

It's not the fact management is going with the "cheaper" airline that really angers me. It's the fact that those who work for the "cheaper" airline relish in the fact that they are seeing growth and upgrades at the expense of other pilots. Especially at the expense of pilots who have fought the good fight to get a decent contract, which the Colgan pilots I talk to hope to obtain. Basically, you want the growth, the money, the benefits, but those who raised the bar before you are "too expensive now" and get shoved to the side.

If there is ANY reason I want out of the airline industry, this is it. I can deal with the management/labor contemptuous relationships, because it's somewhat expected. I just never expected to see this supposed "brotherhood of pilots" that we all talk about just a myth. Actually, it's not completely a myth... It's a reality when it benefits us, but pushed aside when we need to stomp the other person to move forward.

I hate to by cynical, but I know for a fact that we will never see a true pilot union. Not in this deregulated, capitalistic bloodbath.
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:clap::clap::clap:
 
FlyChicaga said:
It's not the fact management is going with the "cheaper" airline that really angers me. It's the fact that those who work for the "cheaper" airline relish in the fact that they are seeing growth and upgrades at the expense of other pilots. Especially at the expense of pilots who have fought the good fight to get a decent contract,
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Exactly...jumping up and down for joy, while slowly killing our careers...a bunch of ignorant young boys who probably still live with Mommy and Daddy.
 
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