CJC Growth

Everybody says, if your not growing your dieing... that may be true, but honestly, short of convenience, which im sure the Houston base will be for many pilots, there is no economic gain for the pilot group. It's not going to make the schedules better, it won't change the way management treats us. Post 3407, rapid upgrade is gone... and we really do not have a lot of pilots who will be eligible for upgrade. Iwould say at least 35% of the current Q group is trying to bid off the airplane.

Trust me, when they say more Q's most of us roll our eyes, kiss our wifes good bye, and expect the worst. I am getting ready for all sorts of mess. Not to mention a new dir. of standards who has NO line experience in the airplane... a gutted, routed and missing training department. This is going to be interesting for those of us here. We would be pretty happy to move the base... and not get the airplanes I think.
 
RUMINT/ Common speculation is UAL... we will not be expanding with US...

anywho... no idea till we see them painted I guess.
 
FlyChicaga said:
Not directly. I might go to reserve, which is fine. I'm just tired of seeing good jobs being eliminated. After how hard Comair worked to get their industry leading regional contract, look at how hard they have been hit by the "race to the bottom." It's sad and frustrating at the same time.

It's also why I'm testing for the Illinois State Police in January. I'm going to have a tough decision to make if they make a job offer.
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Hey Mr.Mod, you got numbers on the furlough?
 
FLflyer said:
Especially when they'll fly a 70-seat airplane for less pay than we fly a 50-seater...I know I won't be too popular on this board with all the Colganites on here, but Colgan is a cancer on our industry. Flame away, but it's true.
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Hourly payrates really hold no water in this argument because we are talking about less than $40 per departure difference between Colgan and XJT for cockpit compensation. Colgan is cheap because their benefits are horrid, they pay FA and Ground Personnel slave wages and refuse to put money back into the operation. It's not all about labor costs anymore. Look at SWA an efficient, cheap operation with good pay.

In addition, CAL saves money in fuel and carries more people per departure on close to jet speed eqiupment. I'll be honest I don't like seeing anyone hit the street because of whats going on here at CJC, but as a pilot group we have clearly made efforts to get out of the cellar.

Flame away.
 
wheelsup said:
If I was junior @ XJT I'd be jumping to Colgan. The writing is on the wall.
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I wouldn't. 15 more Q's for CAl in no way spells doom for Express. I was under the understanding that this was part of the CHQ deal... I may have been lied to, but I don't believe the next 15 will result in a reduction of block hours for you guys. sure, you won't be increasing block.. but don't start looking for the falling pieces of the sky yet.
 
wheelsup said:
If I was junior @ XJT I'd be jumping to Colgan. The writing is on the wall.
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Not me. You see, some of us aren't afraid of doing something else with our lives if flying for a living does not provide the requisite pay or quality of life that we believe it should.

Some are afraid to make that jump.

To each their own.
 
I have heard that the 50 seaters are VERY uneconomical.


I remember when I went to Colgan for an interview back in 2005 as a Mechanic. Their HR F. Hayes say that they burn too much fuel for the pax they carry that is why they used planes like SAAB 340Bs and Beechcraft 1900D (This was just after Katrina when gas prices went up to 50 dollars a barrel).


PLus in 2 or 3 years most of those 50 seaters will be gone.
 
SmitteyB said:
Hourly payrates really hold no water in this argument because we are talking about less than $40 per departure difference between Colgan and XJT for cockpit compensation.
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But the pilots hourly cost does. My guess is there is a $200-$300 a hour difference in the cost of the two cockpits.
 
Gonzo said:
But the pilots hourly cost does. My guess is there is a $200-$300 a hour difference in the cost of the two cockpits.
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I highly doubt this, as neither cockpit has a $200 cost with the Captain and FO combined. The difference between the FO in an XE and 9L cockpit its probably about $10, and with captains probably about $15, so u could say that there is a $25 cost difference per hour just in the cockpit.

With that being said, I'm the last Colganite that wants Expressjet to furlough, I've been dating a FO over there and she will be on the street if they furlough :mad: .
 
L-16B said:
I highly doubt this, as neither cockpit has a $200 cost with the Captain and FO combined. The difference between the FO in an XE and 9L cockpit its probably about $10, and with captains probably about $15, so u could say that there is a $25 cost difference per hour just in the cockpit.

With that being said, I'm the last Colganite that wants Expressjet to furlough, I've been dating a FO over there and she will be on the street if they furlough :mad: .
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Cost not pay. XJT has 100% matching 401K, a nice B fund and a lot of work rules. All that adds to the cost of a pilot.
 
I'm trying to search but recently there was a diagram maybe in the Wall Street Journal showing costs associated with most regional carriers. I think it may have been posted here at Jetcareers.

In any case Colgan was at or near the bottom, being the cheapest...We're talking the cost of training, paying, healthcare etc..

So don't just look at salaries and assume one pilot makes $10/hr more so that's the difference. We're talking complex contracts, health care costs and training.
 
I dont see why this is some surprise. Its been common knowledge for awhile now that we have confirmed orders / options for 45 more Qs. The only way management wasn't going to pick them up was if they were essentially going out of business.
 
Gonzo said:
Cost not pay. XJT has 100% matching 401K, a nice B fund and a lot of work rules. All that adds to the cost of a pilot.
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Ok, that makes sense. Sorry I misread your post. In the meantime, that USA today picture with the diagrams of regional costs was pretty interesting. I would like to find it to, I remember Air Wisconsin being extremely cheap , as in not colgan cheap but way cheaper than comair, expressjet, eagle, etc. They have good pay and work rules, and they are cheap, I'm just wondering why...
 
Makes me kinda wonder if management WANTS the 9E pilots to strike so they can close the doors on 9E and magically have CRJs at 9L......

They're just doing a lot of REALLY odd stuff in negotiations right now and no one can figure out why.
 
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