Cirrus SR-20 pilot needed in Atlanta

mtsu_av8er said:
Nothing - but why why would he only want to make $20,000/year?
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Because it is a SR-20, its better than not getting paid, or paying to fly. To some it is worth it, some would get a real kick out of the job no matter what the pay is, thats the way it is.
 
Champcar said:
Because it is a SR-20, its better than not getting paid, or paying to fly. To some it is worth it, some would get a real kick out of the job no matter what the pay is, thats the way it is.
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That's cool, go ahad and get screwed if you like!!

I've flown a n SR-20 and -22 - they're not cool enough to make up for the lack of decent food and electricity . . .
 
mtsu_av8er said:
That's cool, go ahad and get screwed if you like!!

I've flown a SR-20 and -22 - they're not cool enough to make up for the lack of decent food and electricity . . .
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Once again its a SR-20, thats like paying someone 20K to fly a 172 with balls around. Most Regional gigs start at 20K for the first year so once again its better than nothing.
 
I'm sorry, but I have to agree with aschwimmer and champcar. I am a 42 year old pilot with 470 hours and I have been looking for a pilot position for over a year and with those hours, I have not had anyone beating down my door! I am also working on by BS in Aviation Science and have to complete 720 hours of work experience in an aviation field for my degree. I was planning to do the CFI thing, but my instructor doesn't thinking my teaching ability are up to speed, not to mention I rather not go that way anyway, if I had a choice, so I would be more than happy to take this job. Sure it's a pay cut, but when I left my last job, I took almost a $10,000 pay cut, so another one is not going to make a big difference. Some of us just need the chance to get our foot in the door and build some time and experience, and renting a plane at $100 an hour just is not cutting it. If you don't want to work for that amount, fine, that is your choice and I wish you all the luck in the world. I would love another $35,00 to $40,000 a year job, but I don't see that happen soon in my new choosen field.
 
rpatte1637 said:
Sure it's a pay cut, but when I left my last job, I took almost a $10,000 pay cut, so another one is not going to make a big difference.
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Go to Gulfstream - they prefer your type of thinking.
 
mtsu_av8er said:
Nothing - but why why would he only want to make $20,000/year?
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flx guys on min day pay runs up to 7.5 duty make $19,500 a year...

Q: How much do pilots make?
A: Pilots make anywhere from $19,500 to $36,400 per year based on the run assigned. Pilots bid runs based on seniority, and the length of the duty day determines pay rate. All duty days of 7.5 hours or less pay $75 per day, and any time over and above 7.5 hours pays a $10.00 per hour of duty time, regardless of flight time. Example: A six-hour duty day pays the minimum of $75/day. Once you duty day goes to an eight-hour duty day your pay will be $10.00 a duty hour. So, a ten-hour duty day would pay you a $100.00.
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rpatte1637 said:
I'm sorry, but I have to agree with aschwimmer and champcar. I am a 42 year old pilot with 470 hours and I have been looking for a pilot position for over a year and with those hours, I have not had anyone beating down my door! I am also working on by BS in Aviation Science and have to complete 720 hours of work experience in an aviation field for my degree. I was planning to do the CFI thing, but my instructor doesn't thinking my teaching ability are up to speed, not to mention I rather not go that way anyway, if I had a choice, so I would be more than happy to take this job. Sure it's a pay cut, but when I left my last job, I took almost a $10,000 pay cut, so another one is not going to make a big difference. Some of us just need the chance to get our foot in the door and build some time and experience, and renting a plane at $100 an hour just is not cutting it. If you don't want to work for that amount, fine, that is your choice and I wish you all the luck in the world. I would love another $35,00 to $40,000 a year job, but I don't see that happen soon in my new choosen field.
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well, one of the reasons pay is so low is because people who are desperate jump at "opportunities" which are bringing QOL & pay down for everyone else. Basically, folks who ARE in your same position will probably take this job & IMHO it doesn't pay well enough (see thread regarding CFI pay by aschwimmer, where I posted my cushy salary AS A CFI).

This job is being compared to a CFI job, so the point of view I bring is, "Why shouldn't you be asking for $65,000 a year for this job?"
 
moxiepilot said:
This job is being compared to a CFI job, so the point of view I bring is, "Why shouldn't you be asking for $65,000 a year for this job?"
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I'm going to take a stab at this - correct me if 'm wrong. Because people won't pay $65,000 a year for this job, because they can hire people for $19,500 a year to do it.

That's why we live in America - you want state sanctioned salaries, move somewhere they have them (I would have said the Soviet Union, but do they anymore?).

It's supply and demand, there is an oversupply of pilots and not as much demand for them. If you don't like that you should have done better research before you chose this career and if you still don't like it find another career.

That's what a free market economy does.
 
Again salary is not everything. I bet not one of you, complaining about pilots accepting low salaries would be complaining one bit if one of us volunteer pilots in the Civil Air Patrol, found you crashed in the mountains or desert some where. I remember many times a 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning being called out to look for a ELT, usually just a false alarm, where a plane was setting on the ramp after a hard landing. But that was part of the job, I knew it when I started, but I still wanted to do it. So does that make me and other CAP pilots, bad pilots, because we fly for free or even spend our own money to stay current and train for this type of mission. I don't think so! Flying is what you make of it, if someone wants to do it for less, then good for them, as long as they know up front what their signing up for.
 
wheelsup said:
these "magic" jobs making $50k+ to start aren't out there, fellas.
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Perhaps that's true for flying jobs, but not so for other jobs. A first year associate at a law firm here in Atlanta makes about $120,000, that's starting salary, and they hire people right out of law school. Seems to me that a better plan is to do something like that and buy your own airplane to fly around...
 
CFIse said:
I'm going to take a stab at this - correct me if 'm wrong. Because people won't pay $65,000 a year for this job, because they can hire people for $19,500 a year to do it.
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Actually, that's exactly my point. As I previously mentioned, some one with rpatte1637's qualifications is goig to see this as a good opportunity because of their expierence and prospects.

I think it's unfortunate that someone will sell themself short, but that's life and if they think they are worthless than they are actually worth, so be it. I am not here on a crusade to change that.

As for comparing volunteer work to paid positions, rpatte is comparing apples and oranges, but I disagree with the statement that if someone wants to do it for less good for them. Again, someone is going to jump at the Cirrus-20 job @ $20k a year - I don't doubt that; but I think that they shouldn't sell themself short since it's a job worthy of more pay.

Newflyer's post shows what happens when a standard is maintained: Some folks out of law school are getting $120k jobs. Why? Perhaps with their training accepting a $50k a year job wont pay their bills...just a thought. Now what if every lawyer started accepting $50k out of school? Well, this gets back to supply and demand. If there are enough lawyers, then the employer CAN pay $50k, but if no one bites at $50k they is no supply, but an excess of demand, which raises the wages until someone bites.

This is the same thing CFI is saying.

I just feel this thread was a feeler thread to see how much should be offered for the other thread flying the Cirrus-20. IMHO it's not worth less than about $45k a year.
 
Newflyer671 said:
Perhaps that's true for flying jobs, but not so for other jobs. A first year associate at a law firm here in Atlanta makes about $120,000, that's starting salary, and they hire people right out of law school. Seems to me that a better plan is to do something like that and buy your own airplane to fly around...
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Of course, provided you can hack it through a good law school and make good grades...sure anything is possible. I worked with two lawyers at my old school, one was from a state school and works now as a pilot/lawyer (mostly lawyer) and makes around $40k/yr. The other handled the eastern bk case, as well as helping out the now owner of Airshare Elite put together his business model. He now flies for Freedom (MAG). Obviously he is retired...

I'm not kidding anyone if I thought I could make it through NYU's program or Wharton's masters program. I would say the average person couldn't do that. An average person can definately become a pilot, I am a testament to that!

All it takes to become a pilot is around $35-$40k and some study time. You can do it in 90 days or less. No degree required. ROI is pretty good IMO.

After spending $40k or so:

Year 1: $15,000-$30,000+ as a CFI
Year 2: Either same as a CFI, or $18,000-$30,000+ as a freight/regional pilot first year
Year 3: $35,000-$45,000+
Year 4: $35,000-$45,000+
Year 5: $50,000-$65,000+ with upgrade or larger aircraft on the freight side

Of course you'd make more if you go corporate.
 
moxiepilot said:
I just feel this thread was a feeler thread to see how much should be offered for the other thread flying the Cirrus-20. IMHO it's not worth less than about $45k a year.
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Trying for figure out which other thread you are referring to. Can you please give me the link. Thanks!
 
wheelsup said:
flx guys on min day pay runs up to 7.5 duty make $19,500 a year...
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That's right! And, I assure you - the FLX guys on min pay are almost always flying these runs by choice, and it's pretty much part-time. I flew one of those runs, and there's pretty much no work involved!

I didn't have to clean an airplane, schedule maintenance, deal with PAX, etc.

Far cry from what basically amounts to a fulltime corporate pilot.
 
moxiepilot said:
Newflyer's post shows what happens when a standard is maintained: Some folks out of law school are getting $120k jobs. Why? Perhaps with their training accepting a $50k a year job wont pay their bills
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I disagree. Having well paid lawyers on staff equates to having extremely smart people in those positions. Companies can't attract the most desired employees without paying those wages.

There is practically zero difference in a guy flying a cirrus making $20k and a guy flying a cirrus making $45k. They do the same job, in the same manner.

Yes, to a point you "get what you pay for" but I think it holds true more in the other industries more than piloting. Would you want to go see a doctor that graduated second to last in his class (last and he would be a dentist)? I wouldn't, I'll pay more for a doctor that knows what they are doing.

There probably won't be a difference between entry level pilots however. We are all pretty much trained the same, have the same basic skill sets, etc.
 
mtsu_av8er said:
That's right! And, I assure you - the FLX guys on min pay are almost always flying these runs by choice, and it's pretty much part-time. I flew one of those runs, and there's pretty much no work involved!

I didn't have to clean an airplane, schedule maintenance, deal with PAX, etc.

Far cry from what basically amounts to a fulltime corporate pilot.
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Good points! Hopefully if someone accepts this job they know what's invovled before jumping head first into it just for the flight time, which probably won't even amount to very much.
 
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