Checklist question (removed from other thread)

[Autothrust Blue]

Been in 4 different 121 Airbus 32x cockpits. All 4 have different checklist, flows, callouts, even CA and FO duties varied

I can't imagine going to initial that many times for the same airplane.

 

[Bandit_Driver]

I can't imagine going to initial that many times for the same airplane.

I haven't done the bus 4 times. I ride in a lot of cockpit jumpseats commuting over the years.

I have done initial 727 at two different carriers.

I have done Saab 340 at two different carriers as well

 

[Autothrust Blue]

I haven't done the bus 4 times. I ride in a lot of cockpit jumpseats commuting over the years.

I have done initial 727 at two different carriers.

I have done Saab 340 at two different carriers as well

Oh, ah, comprendo.

 

[Minuteman]

Not all manufacturers, aircraft programs, training departments and POIs/CMOs are created equally in this regard. (Bombardier…)

SkyWest very dutifully ‘standardized’ the Standard Operating Procedures Manuals for commonality between the E-Jet and the CRJ circa 2015, except 1) the checklist headings aren’t even the same between the two fleets and 2) the PF and PM callouts are exactly reversed for many phases of flight. Naturally, the dumbest stuff from each airplane wound up in the others’ books.

Whaaat? Embraer documentation is incomplete/inaccurate?

My current example is the type certificate for the "E2" on-file with the FAA, despite recieving roughly 12 revisions since the new aircraft was introduced, depicts a series of Flap/Slat configurations that do not seem to exist in reality or any operators' technical data. The type certificate!!

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Whaaat? Embraer documentation is incomplete/inaccurate?

Nah, this one was a certificate holder own-goal. But that doesn’t surprise me either.

 

[derg]

Curious - how much leeway do 121 carriers have to deviate from manufacturer’s checklists? I know when we customized checklists 135 we were basically told we could add to the manufacturer’s (and to some extent reorganize things a bit), but removal of anything would probably be denied.

I presume with 121 resources, both internally and working with the manufacturer, they could customize a lot more than we were allowed to do.

If you saw a SouthernJets checklist and compared it to an American Airlines checklist, on the same fleet, you may be shocked how different they are.

I rode jumpseat on a Super 80 when I was a MD-88/90 FO and I was like “WHAAAAAAT issssss happening?!”

 

[roundout]

I can't imagine going to initial that many times for the same airplane.

Sigh

Multiple Failures Of Redundant Systems

 

[ERfly]

If you saw a SouthernJets checklist and compared it to an American Airlines checklist, on the same fleet, you may be shocked how different they are.

I rode jumpseat on a Super 80 when I was a MD-88/90 FO and I was like “WHAAAAAAT issssss happening?!”

EV-ER-Y-ONE had that same reaction when they rode on the Super 80!

That being said, I'm still pissed I never got to fly it.

Having flown the most badass Douglas already, I think that would have been icing on the cake.

"11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, Takeoff"
"Verified, 11"

 

[DeltaAlphaNovember]

EV-ER-Y-ONE had that same reaction when they rode on the Super 80!

That being said, I'm still pissed I never got to fly it.

Having flown the most badass Douglas already, I think that would have been icing on the cake.

"11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, Takeoff"
"Verified, 11"

I think we had 4 or 5 slots open on the 80 when I was a newhire in early 2018. I could have been awarded one but I wasn't interested in training on it and then a year or so later training on another fleet.

 

[ERfly]

I think we had 4 or 5 slots open on the 80 when I was a newhire in early 2018. I could have been awarded one but I wasn't interested in training on it and then a year or so later training on another fleet.

I had the same thought. Probably could have bid it and then got awarded it, but I had been on a dying airplane once (USAir 757 in PHL) and wasn't keen on doing it again.

Plus one could only go to DSM and DAY so many times before they went insane...

...and then the 737 picked up those routes.

 

[killbilly]

Been in 4 different 121 Airbus 32x cockpits. All 4 have different checklist, flows, callouts, even CA and FO duties varied

I have yet to JS in one of our 320s, but OAL people who have ridden JS on flights I've operated tell me that we are about the most chill organization they've ever seen.

 

[DeltaAlphaNovember]

I had the same thought. Probably could have bid it and then got awarded it, but I had been on a dying airplane once (USAir 757 in PHL) and wasn't keen on doing it again.

Plus one could only go to DSM and DAY so many times before they went insane...

...and then the 737 picked up those routes.

If I never had to step foot in DAY again I'd be happy as a pig in poop. I despise that place.