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That's incredible for a 22!
A friend of my father in law wants to buy a turbo 22 (when the FIKI models hit the market) to replace his bonanzas. I was told no one would insure a pilot with less than 500TT and an instrument rating. I'd have to go through factory training if I was going to fly it and I'm at ~3900TT.
Do you know who's writing the insurance for it and how much you're paying? Are you using it for just rental or training as well? I'd love to talk to your insurance agent about a quote. The numbers I've seen so far have been...ridiculous, no...ludicrous.
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OldTownPilot
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Our broker is NationAir in Nashua NH.
I don't know if it makes a difference, but we are a Cirrus Training Center.
I know the Insurance isn't 'cheap', of course its on a commercial policy, but I almost positive its less than 10k/yr.
The 10 hour training thing is almost universal in the Cirrus world.
No worries dude.
BLASPHEMY! You should be drug into the street and shot!
If you ever have a chance to get up close and personal wiith one, the Cirrus is like a tonka toy compated to a 400. It's a much more refined aircraft. More of a piece of artwork than an airplane.
liveupthere
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Hey man,
How do you like Bozeman? I was out there once visiting a cousin and skied Bridger. Loved it. Jobs easy to come by when people are actually hiring?
How do you like Bozeman? I was out there once visiting a cousin and skied Bridger. Loved it. Jobs easy to come by when people are actually hiring?
Fly_Unity
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BLASPHEMY! You should be drug into the street and shot!
If you ever have a chance to get up close and personal wiith one, the Cirrus is like a tonka toy compated to a 400. It's a much more refined aircraft. More of a piece of artwork than an airplane.
You havn't seen the New Cirrus's :nana2:
400's a tad faster I admit, They are supercharged, unlike a 22 thats normalized. (unless you add a supercharger STC on the 22's)
Fly_Unity
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Im getting students/customers in the Cirrus SR22 are getting Insurance at low hours (50 hours in type for students/ 10 hours in type for private pilots)
Im not sure what their paying though.
450 an hour for the 400 for training? wow thats insane. Considering it only burns 12 GPH or so at a training power setting.
flyboywbl
3rd regional in 1 year
I love it here! If you like the outdoors you can't go wrong. Plenty of hiking, fishing, camping, hunting, snowboarding, golf, ect ect.
Winter can feel a little long. Last year it snowed on June 4th. There is actually only one day, in Bozeman, where there has never been snow. It's in the middle of July.
Is for jobs, United, Northwest, Allegiant, Horizon, and Delta (or their regional's i should say) all fly into the terminal. Even if you did not have a rout you could jump-seat back to Bozeman.
There is a fed ex out fit here who fly caravans around the state. They fly in the soup a lot in the mountains.
There is Alpine Air. They fly to bozeman and billings back for UPS in Beech 1900's and Beech 99's.
There are three flight schools and two heli schools.
the best gig to get is to find a rich guy (and there are TONS of them in Bozeman) and be his private pilot.
I know a guy here who fly's a Falcon 7x for one of the Apple founders. He also flies a King Air 350 for another guy.
Because we have no sales tax in Montana, if people base their LLC out of Bozeman to buy their aircraft, they pay no sales tax. There are a lot of empty hangers here
. I always wondered if the people who buy these planes even buy a hanger big enough to fit their plane in. The two Falcon 7x's that are in the states right now are located in Bozeman.One of the CFI's that used to work where i work got a gig being a guy's personal CFI/pilot in a Mojhave.
Now weather or not any of these people are hiring i don't know.
flyboywbl
3rd regional in 1 year
Ours is called a Cessna 400 Corvalis (or we like to call it the Cialis:nana2
not sure what year it isBetter check on the super charger thing friend. The Corvalis 400TT is twin turbocharged. And the STC for the 22 is also a turbocharger option. Remember, supercharger are mechanicaly driven by then engine, off the crackshaft. A turbocharger is exhaust driven.
They are both fantastic ariplanes. But climb into the Cirrus and move the controls through their full range, the feel fairly smooth. Now climb in a 400 and move it through it's full range, and it's like butta'. I have time in both airplanes, and I compare them like this. The SR-22 is like the Cadalic STS and the 400 is like the XLR-V. The 22 has more headroom and better vis. The XLR is faster and more like a sports car.
Fly_Unity
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Actually the Cirrus comes factory with the Turbo Charger through Tornado Alley. I was talking about the STC that Super Charges the SR22 to MP 35 inches that a company rep was trying to get me to look into the other day. (Belt Driven FYI)
I personally like the SR22 better, but I may be biased as I work for Cirrus. :laff:
Cessna 400 cruise speed is based off of ROP, VS Cirrus's LOP, IF you put put them both LOP, Cirrus would be just as fast IMO, There is not really a difference in TAS, except if you take advantage of the 400 supercharger and run it ROP, then it burns so much extra fuel for an extra few knots its not really worth it. Cessna also likes to use 85 % power in the performance figures VS Cirrus 75%. Delete the Cirrus Parachute and the TKS icing system and run at same power settings, and there will be little difference in speed. My boss also flown both and liked the Cirrus better even though it was a few knots slower.
I'm also looking forward to the "flight into known icing" models, Its extremely hard to fly IMC in the northern states without that.
Like I said I may be a bit biased, but both airplane are awesome airplanes for sure!
flyboywbl
3rd regional in 1 year
Do you know Ivy?
OldTownPilot
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I flew a FIKI 22 turbo that the New England sales guy had last weekend. It was my first time in a perspective bird too, so I had lots to drool over.
Its a heavy install, with three of us in the airplane and full tanks we were 'at gross' and you could tell. I think it was a prototype before the system went on a diet though. Our schools straight -22 felt significantly more energetic 300 lbs under gross. Airport is at sea level.
pilotsav27
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I have a guy here at my airport (KLOZ) that just recently traded his 2008 c-182T in for the 400. The plane is absolutely SWEET! I saw where someone said it only burns 12gph. I have to say, thats wrong. From what I've seen in his it burns 17, almost every flight. It's a nice plane but he can't get his insurance to cover anyone but him (no passengers) until he gets his IR. He's almost got it, but not being able to take friends or family up has to suck! Nice plane, but not as nice as you think 700 grand should be. And renting one for 495 an hour! That is ridiculous! Rent a 172 for a 1/4 of the price, the time logs the same!
ross9238
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I don't understand the point that you were trying to make.
Sorry OP not trying to deviate from the topic but had to address this.
Re-read your post. I am not trying to nit-picking, but you said the 400 was supercharged. As far as the supercharger vs. turbocharger debate, I'd rather have the turbo charger. Less parts to fail and parasitic drag on the engine is never a good thing. What happens when you loose the belt at 25k feet and you have to suck through the supercharger to make power. I also don't know how FAT got a Vortech supercharger STC'd for an airplane. And from what I can read, the unit only makes sealevel HP to 8000
. Is there some other company that does it?
av8or91
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Re-read your post. I am not trying to nit-picking, but you said the 400 was supercharged. As far as the supercharger vs. turbocharger debate, I'd rather have the turbo charger. Less parts to fail and parasitic drag on the engine is never a good thing. What happens when you loose the belt at 25k feet and you have to suck through the supercharger to make power. I also don't know how FAT got a Vortech supercharger STC'd for an airplane. And from what I can read, the unit only makes sealevel HP to 8000
At least if your belt brakes on the supercharger you can still make some power as opposed to losing parts of the turbo in the engine which more than likely will cause more of a power loss.