Check!!!! CHEEEECK!

Doug Taylor said:
I'm not sure if it's technique or procedure. But the maddog had a bad problem with asymmetric throttles at times, five knots slow and WHAM!! the throttles would go to full max continuous, on the -90, simultaneously, one the -88, HOPEFULLY simultaneously.
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Got to see that the first time I jumpseated on an MD-88.

"hey, um guys? I'm new to all this but I'm guessing its not supposed to be doing that?"

"oh yeah! Thanks"
 
The 767 "domestic" ships without the fadec engines (non 1400 series) are like the MD-88. Throttle BURST!

I tend to click off the a/t once on the glideslope and at 180 knots or so anyways as i dont want the engines jumping in and out of idle. Not to mention I use the "evil" vertical speed mode until intercepting the idle VNAV path. Can't say I agree with the stance that "don't use v/s since you dont have speed protection" that the department has. Too bad I'll be around longer than all of them, muah hahaha!

Fly the dang plane, keep it simple, and stay connected!
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
Fly the dang plane, keep it simple, and stay connected!
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Precisely.

On top of that, VS is a great mode, but you have to couple that with an understanding of where you're going and what the aircraft can do.

Some folks forget what life is like outside of SimWorld! :)
 
Doug Taylor said:
Some folks forget what life is like outside of SimWorld! :)
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And that right there is the basis for most of the procedural "issues" I think. Checklist development at a lot of companies is done by guys that only fly the box. Thankfully where I'm out our sim instructors get out in the real world from time to time so stuff isn't too bad.

FWIW our 500 foot call is "500 Bug +/-XX, Sink XXX". We bug Ref+5 so we switched from "ref +/- XX" a while back. Now if they'd just stop moving items from the taxi check to the before takeoff check I'd be ok.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Plus I just couldn't imagine you picking up the flight interphone and enduring a conversation about how the A-line isn't getting along with the C-line and how the B has been in the lavatory for the last 45 minutes doing her makeup and not performing her job! :)
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Problem solved:

CA "If you can't work it out, there's not a single one that can't be replaced on the next leg. Questions? No? OK...."

I did have a buddy that flew DC-8s for an unnamed 121 supplemental op. They were running a combi. On takeoff 3 of the 4 compressor stalled.

Immediately, the interphone rings.

FA: "What's going on up there!?"

My buddy: "Do you usually see fireballs shoot out the front of the engines?"

FA: "No"

Buddy: "Well, that means we're busy" <click>
 
Polar742 said:
CA "If you can't work it out, there's not a single one that can't be replaced on the next leg. Questions? No? OK...."

<CLICK>
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See, that won't work at SJA because the A line is actually called the "Flight Leader," and they truly believe that they are in charge of everything. The issue is compounded by the fact that there are several captains who defer to them because of God knows why, and Flt Ops won't stand up to IFS.
 
Cptnchia said:
See, that won't work at SJA because the A line is actually called the "Flight Leader," and they truly believe that they are in charge of everything. The issue is compounded by the fact that there are several captains who defer to them because of God knows why (probably guys that, ahem, have hopes for something that'll never happen....just a guess though), and Flt Ops won't stand up to IFS (Have that T-shirt....FA's writing up pilots that don't have the O2 on above 250, yup (dumb on the pilot's part not to follow the regs, but still....or why a PA has to be made right before you hit the runway when both pilots should be "in the flight deck and in front of the jet" when a ding would do).
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Well, they are certificated by the FAA now.

I don't see why it'd be any other way. ;)

Ahh, the joys of walking to a jet with just the 2, 3 or 4 of you, locking it up and leaving.
 
This thread is pretty funny!

I didn't realize Delta guys procedures changed as well....

Waaay too many "checks/xchecks/doublechecks" in there!!
 
This all makes our procedures look easy. We've been trying to remove callouts rather than add to them. Sometimes you really need to stop focusing on required stuff to say, and instead just focus on monitoring the airplane to ensure it's doing the right stuff.
 
hawkesaurus said:
Waaay too many "checks/xchecks/doublechecks" in there!!
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Check!!! Check!!!! Czech!!!

Something else fun:

"Out of 12000 for 14000... Two thousand feet to go!"

"Is that a new call?"

"Nah, I'm just messin' with ya!"
 
Polar742 said:
Well, they are certificated by the FAA now.

I don't see why it'd be any other way. ;)

Ahh, the joys of walking to a jet with just the 2, 3 or 4 of you, locking it up and leaving.
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You don't miss the drama of having eight of 'em ringing the interphone to talk about their cats every five minutes? :)

"Ladies, if you're in the forward and you're calling the mid and talking about non-operational minutia, can ya just meet one another in the middle of biz elite?"
 
Doug Taylor said:
You don't miss the drama of having eight of 'em ringing the interphone to talk about their cats every five minutes? ....... can ya just meet one another in the middle of biz elite?"
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Please, please, do not send them there...................:D
 
Doug Taylor said:
You don't miss the drama of having eight of 'em ringing the interphone to talk about their cats every five minutes? :)

"Ladies, if you're in the forward and you're calling the mid and talking about non-operational minutia, can ya just meet one another in the middle of biz elite?"
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Uh, not quite like I remember. Let's try this:

<open scene>

Short, ugly CA sitting in front of computer trying to read company email, realizing that there is no one in crew room he knows.

*Squeeling*

FA1 (running to FA2): Oh my GOD!!!! It's great to see you!!! It's been so long.

<Embrace between FA1 and FA2 like they just reunited after being separated for 30 years>

FA2: I know, it's great!! I haven't seen you since class!!

CA looks around room, and checks clock

CA (mumbling to self): Looks like it's about show time. (sees 2 FAs he's never met) Hi, I'm Martin...are you going to IAD today?

FA1 <gleeming with excitement>: Yes WE are!! Are you new here? I've never seen you before...

CA: Uh, no....been here about 8 years

FA1: Uh, I meant on the 170?!?

CA: I guess so, I've been on the airplane as long as we've had them. Yourself?

FA1: No I've been here 6 months.

FA2: Yeah, this is the first time we've EVAR flown together

FA1: We were totally room mates in new hire class!!! This is sooooo aweseome!!

<cut to walking down jetbridge, last pax have deplaned, and the inbound crew is taking bags off, plane, of course is late and we have about 25 minutes to turn>

FA2: Oh Mah, GAWD!!!! Jo!!! I haven't seen you in the longest!!

<all activity ceases as FA3 blocks the door and chats with FA2)

FA3: Yeah, not since new hire class

FA2: and guess what? I'm flying with Bob from class!!

FA3: Bob? Yeah, he's so awesome. I couldn't believe he said that in our skit for graduation

(continuous blubbering and catching up like there's no cell service anywhere)

<FA1 is nowhere to be seen. No mention to CA where to. Shows up with a Starbucks>


Plane is boarded and off. All drama ceases until the door is open at the other gate.

2 FAs = no majority vote. Results are obvious
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
The 767 "domestic" ships without the fadec engines (non 1400 series) are like the MD-88. Throttle BURST!

I tend to click off the a/t once on the glideslope and at 180 knots or so anyways as i dont want the engines jumping in and out of idle. Not to mention I use the "evil" vertical speed mode until intercepting the idle VNAV path. Can't say I agree with the stance that "don't use v/s since you dont have speed protection" that the department has. Too bad I'll be around longer than all of them, muah hahaha!

Fly the dang plane, keep it simple, and stay connected!
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While I was reading through this thread the domestic -300's were all i was thinking about. I preferred to click the throttles off at top of decent. It was a happy day when I got on board a plane with MEL'd auto-throttles (no sarcasm at all).

Also, a decent that is 1000' or less I almost always use VS. Sometimes in climb as well when the A/S is hunting, turbulence, etc. I think I use every button on the MCP on every flight now that I think of it!
 
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