Cheating on an FAA knowledge test

EDUC8-or said:
If you need to cheat on one of those tests you shouldn't be flying in the first place.
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It may not actually be a "need". It might be just a want. You'll see evidence in other parts of life that a lot of cheaters never needed to cheat in the first place.
 
EDUC8-or said:
If you need to cheat on one of those tests you shouldn't be flying in the first place.
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:yeahthat:

motoboy said:
I took my ppl written at cats center and there was a camera in the room, is this a requirement?
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Nope, the room just has to be monitored by the proctor. How they choose to do it is up to them. I took some test where a person walked through the room randomly and they had a glass window where the proctor could check on us from his office.

saragousa75 said:
Plus the ATP requires you be of good moral character, if you cheated on an FAA test i don't think they would approve that rating.
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I hope they wouldn't approve it.
 
EDUC8-or said:
If you need to cheat on one of those tests you shouldn't be flying in the first place.
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I agree. If it were up to me, that guy would have just ruined his chances of ever earning another rating again in his entire lifetime.
 
I agree. If it were up to me, that guy would have just ruined his chances of ever earning another rating again in his entire lifetime.
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Jeeez...I mean yeah it's pretty greasy to cheat on an FAA written but I don't think demolishing his entire flying career forever is the answer. Penalize him for sure, but give the guy a chance to learn and redeem himself.
 
Capt. Caucasian said:
I am not going to comment on the cheating thing but, I just want to illustrate the different ways to study for an FFA written. Way back when I took my flight engineer written (yup, airlines used to require that) I went to ATP to take it. Along with myself there were two USAF KC-135 guys and one other civilian that flew Chieftains. I was just a lowly CFI at the time.

The way ATP prepares you for the test is that you take practice tests and study for the first half of the day. Later, you take the test. So, I spent all of my study time memorizing all of the answers and coming up with various mnemonic devices. Things like, "all questions about W&B are C".

When it came time for the test I breezed through in fifteen minutes and got a 98. I decided to hang around the school and chat with the instructors there who were friends of mine while I waited for the other guys to finish.

The Chieftain guy was out in another fifteen minutes, did basically the same thing as me and scored in the high 90's as well. TWO HOURS later the USAF guys came out. Instead of just memorizing answers they actually tried to learn the stuff (which was pretty archaic even then). They both scored in the low 90's.

Who took the test correctly?
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Kinda rhetorical question, isn't it? Those who passed the test seem like a right answer to you?
 
JJ429PA said:
Jeeez...I mean yeah it's pretty greasy to cheat on an FAA written but I don't think demolishing his entire flying career forever is the answer. Penalize him for sure, but give the guy a chance to learn and redeem himself.
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:yeahthat:

If I made the same mistakes at 40 that I made at 20, I would be a failure of a human being. He apparently is being punished and rightfully so. But if "Being of good moral character", an already vague term, is to be applied all the way back to birth, then it is a completely worthless term, and one I dare say no one on this board would meet.
 
I really don't care if someone cheats on a written test. The fact is, unless you know how to fly the airplane, navigate, and coordinate everything with ATC, you're not likely to get the rating anyway. The written tests could in all likelihood safely be eliminated. An adequate oral exam is more telling of an applicants knowledge, especially since it's not multiple choice with the exact questions and answers printed in a book you can buy for $10.
 
Holocene said:
I really don't care if someone cheats on a written test. The fact is, unless you know how to fly the airplane, navigate, and coordinate everything with ATC, you're not likely to get the rating anyway. The written tests could in all likelihood safely be eliminated. An adequate oral exam is more telling of an applicants knowledge, especially since it's not multiple choice with the exact questions and answers printed in a book you can buy for $10.
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Not. . .Written tests should be a part of the whole person evaluation. Reading if fundamental; reading comprehension matters even more!
 
At sierra academy of aeronautics two student were caught cheating on the ATP exam by the person administering it. Everyone new they got caught however management didn't want to send them back to china because they would lose the revenue from air china, Therefore not turning them into the FAA.
 
BobDDuck said:
For the Private and Instrument writtens maybe. However, being able to figure out floor loading for a DC9 probably isn't something that is going to help you in the future too much.
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but figuring out floor loading is a universal concept for all airplanes, and that *is* useful. There has to be an example airplane, and it's irrelvant to the underlying knowledge required.
 
On a written? Oh man, they're not that hard and you have the answers in advance.

How some will jeopardize their entire career for wanting to get a 98 instead of a 74 on a knowledge exam confuses me.
 
Doug Taylor said:
On a written? Oh man, they're not that hard and you have the answers in advance.

How some will jeopardize their entire career for wanting to get a 98 instead of a 74 on a knowledge exam confuses me.
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Exactly. No one even cares what you score on it. Anything above an 85 is style points anyways!:)
 
KLB said:
Exactly. No one even cares what you score on it. Anything above an 85 is style points anyways!:)
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It's binary. It's like the girlfriend being a little bit preggo.

Either you're preggers or you're not!

Either you pass the written or you do not? You're getting those questions anyway on your practical.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Either you pass the written or you do not? You're getting those questions anyway on your practical.
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Yup. Hell, I can't even remember what I've gotten on any of my writtens.....it's been so long. I passed, that's how much it matters.
 
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