Challenger Truckee
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Huh? Eat at restaurants! Buy extra clothes at the local Target store in the generic suburban hell of Wherevertown, Anystate.You guys are spending too much on overnights.Now I’m not saying pack 4 days of food for a trip (never cared for guys packing a refrigerator on a trip), but somewhere is a happy medium.
Wardogg
Meat Popsicle
Nothing really new or groundbreaking here.
So many chances to fix it before the point of no return.
View: https://youtu.be/GO6NasoDsfM?si=DTG3cb-0hLfv94qo
So many chances to fix it before the point of no return.
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
I actually saw this video last week and was shocked. The tension was something I did not realize was so bad before the CVR transcript was simulated.
Also, it was easy to assume that the less experienced CA being behind, was causal to the accident. I actually fully changed my mind that the over confident, cocky FO was a horrific PM, a jerk, and pulled the damn speed brakes without verbalizing it and basically killed everyone. The video really made me change my mind on the FO entirely.
Also, it was easy to assume that the less experienced CA being behind, was causal to the accident. I actually fully changed my mind that the over confident, cocky FO was a horrific PM, a jerk, and pulled the damn speed brakes without verbalizing it and basically killed everyone. The video really made me change my mind on the FO entirely.
Wardogg
Meat Popsicle
14000 hours is a lot of time. Especially in the life of a corporate guy where 1 to 3 hr trips are the norm. I haven’t seen, was he always a corporate pilot?
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
No. He flew 121 for a long time. Big turboprops, CRJs, ERJs (for a very little bit), and I believe 767s, before going to the corporate world.
I've got about 150 hours with him (in CRJs) in my logbook. I can hear him saying a lot of that recreated CVR in his voice.
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
He had a lot of TT but not a lot of time in the accident aircraft.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
He had over 4000 hours in 605s. The captain had very little 605 time.
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
Yeah, bad all around. The captain was obviously way behind, and the cocky FO didn't help and ultimately killed them.
Skåning
Well-Known Member
Was he a pushy or lacking in CRM skills?
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
He wasn't pushy. I just always had difficulty getting a shared mental model with him... in the days before that was even a thing that had a name.
GypsyPilot
Mohawk Town
I’d imagine we’ve all had to deal with weak CAs at times. I certainly have at my regional and even at my current employer.
There’s a way to assist them without coming off as a complete prick, which instantly destroys CRM. I literally cringed multiple times watching this video.
There’s a way to assist them without coming off as a complete prick, which instantly destroys CRM. I literally cringed multiple times watching this video.
Fixtur
Dunning-Kruger Expert
There is a way to do that, and it's called just being a normal human being. Everyone has a bad day, everyone makes mistakes.
I've flown (rarely, thankfully) with some of these • God's-gift-to-aviation types. They're more a menace to safety and good order than a green captain a bit behind the airplane.
I've flown (rarely, thankfully) with some of these • God's-gift-to-aviation types. They're more a menace to safety and good order than a green captain a bit behind the airplane.
///AMG
Well-Known Member
That's pretty cringey. Obviously an understatement given the final outcome, but in the moment, that guy reminds me of some of the worst IP's I flew with in flight school. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because who knows what had already transpired on this trip/crew pairing, or previous instances, but taken at face value, that is a pretty terrible way to interact with another professional. Many different ways to help an aviator along, who is still hanging onto the stabs, that don't result in the guy/gal shutting down.
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