CFI reinstatement via II add-on

ahw01

Well-Known Member
Not at all. Maybe if you do component level work? But for installs and troubleshooting not at all.
Interesting. Embry Riddle teach it as part of their AMNT 265 module. I wouldn't mind an extra FCC Cert just don't think many are open to me
 

killbilly

Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
This is a good way to do it for a full retrofit for sure. For any individual piece of gear guys like you and @drunkenbeagle have enough experience with wiring diagrams, protocols, etc that I’m sure you could do just fine working with an accommodating A&P. Of course part of it too is just having the tooling-a Daniels crimper and preferably a couple of the positioners. Then you can get into other stuff like the crimper for the sealed butt splices, battery cable crimpers…..I have a couple thousand dollars worth of just wiring tools and I have just what i have needed for the installs I’ve done.
I've got a Chinese knockoff of a Daniels crimper that will do the pinning jobs for me - couldn't justify the cost of a real one but if I was building harnesses every day it would be mandatory. My wiring diagram knowledge is spotty at best, but I can follow connections and duplicate already-there stuff well enough - it's not that different from wiring the phone systems that I did for the first half of my career.

The part that's got me scratching my head - and I could use a point in the right direction if you please - is figuring out the wiring between battery, alternator, voltage regulator, ammeter shunt, mags and ignition. 99% of this stuff is already in place for me, but it bugs me not knowing how it all it's all put together - I wouldn't be able to assemble it if I had to, vs. the other components in the radio stack or the EFIS setup.

And since I'm switching to push-button start with test switches for the P-Mags, it's changing a bit and it's something I just don't know. I've got a copy of The Aeroelectric Connection and while I can sort of follow it, it's not very clear and it's really, really out of date. I may need to pay someone to help me out on this part.
 

Roger Roger

Paid to sleep, fly for fun
I've got a Chinese knockoff of a Daniels crimper that will do the pinning jobs for me - couldn't justify the cost of a real one but if I was building harnesses every day it would be mandatory. My wiring diagram knowledge is spotty at best, but I can follow connections and duplicate already-there stuff well enough - it's not that different from wiring the phone systems that I did for the first half of my career.

The part that's got me scratching my head - and I could use a point in the right direction if you please - is figuring out the wiring between battery, alternator, voltage regulator, ammeter shunt, mags and ignition. 99% of this stuff is already in place for me, but it bugs me not knowing how it all it's all put together - I wouldn't be able to assemble it if I had to, vs. the other components in the radio stack or the EFIS setup.

And since I'm switching to push-button start with test switches for the P-Mags, it's changing a bit and it's something I just don't know. I've got a copy of The Aeroelectric Connection and while I can sort of follow it, it's not very clear and it's really, really out of date. I may need to pay someone to help me out on this part.
Do you have any kind of diagrams from the builder? I mean most small aircraft alternator/battery systems are more or less the same but there are a few variations like do you have a battery ammeter or an alternator one (or with a modern EFIS system maybe both!), what kind of alternator controller do you have, what kind of circuit protection for the alternator feed, separate alternator master switch or part of the master, etc.

mags and starter [edit]can be very simple too, but once you start getting into replacing impulse couplings with electronic starting boost that circuitry does get more complex[/edit].

The generic single engine electrical system diagram you’ve probably seen/used before is a good starting place to get your head around it and figure the intricacies of your particular system from there.

I’m interested in the PMags, the engine r&r I’m doing right now is getting some sort of e-ignition on one side but supposedly all it needs is the extant magneto connection. When you say push button start do you mean replacing a key style start/ignition switch with a button, or some sort of semi-automated actual push to start setup?

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Edit: then again, just some quick googling shows that some of the RV builders get very fancy with their power distribution systems! Vertical power and whatnot. Not sure what you’ve got installed.
 
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killbilly

Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
Do you have any kind of diagrams from the builder? I mean most small aircraft alternator/battery systems are more or less the same but there are a few variations like do you have a battery ammeter or an alternator one (or with a modern EFIS system maybe both!), what kind of alternator controller do you have, what kind of circuit protection for the alternator feed, separate alternator master switch or part of the master, etc.

mags and starter [edit]can be very simple too, but once you start getting into replacing impulse couplings with electronic starting boost that circuitry does get more complex[/edit].

The generic single engine electrical system diagram you’ve probably seen/used before is a good starting place to get your head around it and figure the intricacies of your particular system from there.

I’m interested in the PMags, the engine r&r I’m doing right now is getting some sort of e-ignition on one side but supposedly all it needs is the extant magneto connection. When you say push button start do you mean replacing a key style start/ignition switch with a button, or some sort of semi-automated actual push to start setup?

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Edit: then again, just some quick googling shows that some of the RV builders get very fancy with their power distribution systems! Vertical power and whatnot. Not sure what you’ve got installed.
Thanks for this. I ended up in a couple-hour session with my local mech yesterday, with a whiteboard and then time in my hangar tugging on some wires and getting my head wrapped around things.

I've de-railed this thread badly enough. I'll DM you. :)
 

Nihon_Ni

Well-Known Member
I've got a Chinese knockoff of a Daniels crimper that will do the pinning jobs for me - couldn't justify the cost of a real one but if I was building harnesses every day it would be mandatory. My wiring diagram knowledge is spotty at best, but I can follow connections and duplicate already-there stuff well enough - it's not that different from wiring the phone systems that I did for the first half of my career.

The part that's got me scratching my head - and I could use a point in the right direction if you please - is figuring out the wiring between battery, alternator, voltage regulator, ammeter shunt, mags and ignition. 99% of this stuff is already in place for me, but it bugs me not knowing how it all it's all put together - I wouldn't be able to assemble it if I had to, vs. the other components in the radio stack or the EFIS setup.

And since I'm switching to push-button start with test switches for the P-Mags, it's changing a bit and it's something I just don't know. I've got a copy of The Aeroelectric Connection and while I can sort of follow it, it's not very clear and it's really, really out of date. I may need to pay someone to help me out on this part.
I was about to recommend AeroElectric Connection to you when I read that you had it. I bought it and read it several times over, and still refer to it regularly. I used one of Bob's architectures for my RV-8 and modified it a bit for my glass panel. During my build, I learned far more about electricity than any other subject. I also have push button start and P-Mags. I don't get up to JYO as much as I used to, but I still am there occasionally. Happy to chat with you if you need a hand.
 

killbilly

Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
I was about to recommend AeroElectric Connection to you when I read that you had it. I bought it and read it several times over, and still refer to it regularly. I used one of Bob's architectures for my RV-8 and modified it a bit for my glass panel. During my build, I learned far more about electricity than any other subject. I also have push button start and P-Mags. I don't get up to JYO as much as I used to, but I still am there occasionally. Happy to chat with you if you need a hand.
I read it, but had a hard time with a lot of it.

Since that last post, I'd sought help from a local avionics tech and we've been working together on my retroft. It's almost done. The book is good for basics but it wasn't as helpful for me as it was being the owner-involved helper on this job. Have learned a TON.
 

N826AW

Snooki's Baby Daddy
I read it, but had a hard time with a lot of it.

Since that last post, I'd sought help from a local avionics tech and we've been working together on my retroft. It's almost done. The book is good for basics but it wasn't as helpful for me as it was being the owner-involved helper on this job. Have learned a TON.
If you ever need an extra set of hands, let me know.
 
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