CFI cut engine..

will_fly_for_bandwith said:
To a jury of CFI's or other aviators you can quantify the additional risk and probably get a favorable verdict. But to the standard person who is stuck on a jury and wants to find you guilty so they can get out of there by dinner time...good luck.
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To them, you might as well have shot Trayvon Martin, or stolen the Lindbergh baby.
 
I've done it before by myself several times. Not really that big of a deal if with a student It can be great learning experience if you know what you're doing.

Have I done it with a student? No. Here's why... With all the negative publicity the maneuver gets, it's just not worth it. The flight school I work for wont even let us teach real soft field landings on the 1300ft of perfect grass parallel to the runway. No way they would go for this... If I taught out of my own airplane I would consider teaching it. Another factor would be the airplane being used. I wouldn't do it in a Pitts... But a C150, J-3, C120/140, Citabria, Champ etc... No problem.

With spin training and "power off" (power to idle) aerobatics, I've had my fair number of prop stops. Been able to restart every time. Even done aerobatics intentionally with the prop stopped.

In fact, the only time I wasn't able to restart was in a Travelair (B95) without accumulators. It just wouldn't come out of feather.
 
TwoTwoLeft said:
The flight school I work for wont even let us teach real soft field landings on the 1300ft of perfect grass parallel to the runway. .
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Wanting to teach soft field ops in an actual representation of a soft field.....

What, are you crazy or something? :D
 
MikeD said:
Wanting to teach soft field ops in an actual representation of a soft field.....

What, are you crazy or something? :D
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Yeah whoda thunk? I had a student with this own 172 and when he got good enough to put it where he wanted it on the runway we moved to the grass for all his short and soft field landings. Its the perfect set up, 1300ft looks short and if the approach isn't right they HAVE to go around. Not land 5000ft down the runway and try again...

For his checkride, he had this squirrely guy for DPE who just about crapped his pants when he told him to do a soft field landing and he actually went for the grass. That was his go-around, he still passed the ride and I got an ear full from the DPE.... I don't use that DPE anymore.
 
NickH said:
A perfect grass runway isn't a soft field!
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Actually it's deep marathon grass and not "technically" a "runway", you have about 30 ft to work with right or left so you don't hit the sprinklers.... But dammit if that wasn't their intention when they made it, they could have fooled me.
 
TwoTwoLeft said:
For his checkride, he had this squirrely guy for DPE who just about crapped his pants when he told him to do a soft field landing and he actually went for the grass. That was his go-around, he still passed the ride and I got an ear full from the DPE.... I don't use that DPE anymore.
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Good on you and your student for doing the grass thing :)
 
Here's the approach. Main runway is 2600x60 the grass is the longest strip on the left halfway down the runway. Back on topic... It's an interesting place to do dead stick landings. Not much room for error. We've done simulated engine outs to the grass. It's good practice for having to stuff in it somewhere. Even 2600 ft of runway can be ridiculously long sometimes.
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squeezemylemon said:
the runway is very long, as long you stay close of the runway, and dont go to far on base, no problem.
worse case, you turn the starter, and hope the engine starts.I would nt do it.
in multi, no engine cut below 5000ft.and 5000ft is the minimum, so higher is better.

I don't like the term dead stick. I prefer no engine landing, dead engine landing, emergency landing wit 0 fuel,....
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agree dead stick to me says problems with the controls or panel. For example the computer in a fly-by-wire being wonky or one or both screens in a glass cockpit going out.
 
Cyper42 said:
agree dead stick to me says problems with the controls or panel. For example the computer in a fly-by-wire being wonky or one or both screens in a glass cockpit going out.
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You guys are reading into the term "dead stick" WAY too much.....:)
 
Somewhere in VA. Wind calm runway long. A buddy of mine wants to finish similar project and got some motivation. He stayed on the ground.



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