CFI/ CFII/ MEI jobless!

Borla said:
Was working for ATP but they let me go because I requested a STOP & GO at KCRG in the PA-44, again all I did was request one due to another Instructor requesting one and being allowed to do it! The owner is very shady, we were repremanded when it occured. I was about a week into being standardized and instructing when I got repremanded and then was allowed to continue working for about a month. Signed off a Private and a CFII while I was working.:confused:
Got a call a week ago telling me that they were going to let me and the other instructor go because the owner found out about it!

Was not even a written rule about doing Stop and Go's, now they have made it in writing that no stop and go's are allowed on a runway less that 8000'. :beer:
Its all good though, but now I am in the pool of jobless instructors

Thanks for all of your help guys and keep me posted on any pilot jobs around
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HOLY CRAP,
And I thought UND was the place of insane policies. Honestly though, maybe that rule isnt too far from the threshold for UND. We are currently allowed to do stop and goes in the seminole here any runway length. It's up to the pilots to determine if enough distance remains. But since the pilot's decision making skills are being slowy taken away by MODS, the SOF, and other policy makers, that rule could soon be a reality.
 
ATP had that policy at KCRG about two years ago, it was no secret. Instead of doing that Craig the OP probably should have used Cecil.

Everyone drops the ball every now and then so I hope you have some good luck finding a new job.
 
Could this also be for insurance reasons? I don't know if the insurance companies have their tentacles that deep into the school's SOP... just pure speculation.

Then again, we didn't do them at KTMB on the 5000ft runway either. Taxi back every time. What if your engine failed at Vr or just as you were lifting off? The Seminole certainly isn't known for its single engine rate of climb...

Either way its still BS that they fired you without a verbal warning the first time...:confused:
 
Again I was a week into being standerdized (new guy on the block) and I had heard one of my fellow instructors request one and actually saw him perform one. (I was still entering the pattern).
{I agree that doing a Stop N Go on a 4000' runway in a twin with a student landing is not a good idea but geeeeeez i was still a newbie and I admit that it was a stupid request.} When I stopped (landed on the numbers and had Accelerate Stop distance left) I requested to do the same from the controller and he instructed me that ATP didn't allow them. ( when does the controller work for ATP) I then taxied back for another pattern without incidence.
When I Shutdown and wnt inside school I was verbally warned by an examiner there named Ernie Strange.(not the nicest guy) He verbally tore in to me and the other instructor, but said thats as far as it would go. I guess he held it in his back pocket until he had a gathering with the owner a month and a half later.

All was fine, was working my butt off for about a month and a half, then got a phone call saying that the Owner had found out about the "request" and said both me and the other instructor needed to be out by the day.

Now as far as being warned, we were, then we fired for the incident a month and a half later! I have no hard feelings just wish that I had never requested a Stop n Go!:(
 
Thats the whole truth Roger Cheechako!

One Mig shouler back High, watch your back, watch your back!!!:rawk:
 
Try as many Recruitment companies as possible, UK recruitment companies do not charge

try some of the following

wynnwith
betts recruitment
brookwood aviation

they are some of the larger companies, will keep my fingers crossed for you dude!
 
Pursuant to the numerous uneducated and unprofessional posts pertaining to APPP Accelerated Professional Pilot Program.
Here are facts. Listen up.
1. I am the Senior Development and Sales Manager for APPP. My background is Airlines 6000 plus hrs on the EMB145, BAE J32, Assistant Chief Flight Instructor, Corporate Pilot, Contract Pilot, Military Pilot and FAA Operations Inspector.
2. APPP is a TIME BUILDING flight organization. We are not a FLIGHT School. We are in the time building business. Period.
3. We fly with Current and Qualified Commercial Multi Instrument or Private Multi Pilots. The are "clients" not students. We aren't teaching them to fly.
4. The Mentor is a facilitator for our 100 hr or 200 hr plus trips. Typically 19 states in 15 days or less. "Real world Cross Country" Just check Fltaware.com The proof is in the pudding.
5. All of our Time is PIC. No dual given, no safety pilot. No Mickey mouse, or Minnie Mouse.
6. Some of our Mentors are MEI's. They can log dual given just like the level D sim instructors do. You will find out about this when and if you get to that level.
7. We have been in Business since 2002. 5,500 clients from all over the world.
8. We fly all over the USA and Bahamas under PART 91.
9. Our rates are the best in the world Period. $96.00 per hr WET, thats right including FUEL, CHARTS, CHECKOUT and INSURANCE. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

If you are paying more than $200.00 per hr for PIC MULTI Seneca 1 or $70.00 for PIC C172 you are paying too much arent you!!!
When you get the sutures out and the bleeding stops, come see us. or Contact me at 305-510-8817. We will save you time and money Period.

As a former FAA Operations Inspector, I suggest you read the CFR's and understand them, or get real experience before you show your ignorace of the business of aviaiton. The boss and I will be happy to educate you, and help you in your aviaiton career. The people in our company especially the owner and myself know the business of Aviation.

Jeff Britt Sr. Senior Development and Sales Manager. APPP :rawk:
 
Dang, according to the math he makes nearly $7million a year if he's got an average of 700 students / year flying 100 hours.

I'm going to give him my first born to get a cut of the profits! I'ma be RICH!
 
737fltman said:
Pursuant to the numerous uneducated and unprofessional posts pertaining to APPP Accelerated Professional Pilot Program.
Here are facts. Listen up.
1. I am the Senior Development and Sales Manager for APPP. My background is Airlines 6000 plus hrs on the EMB145, BAE J32, Assistant Chief Flight Instructor, Corporate Pilot, Contract Pilot, Military Pilot and FAA Operations Inspector.
2. APPP is a TIME BUILDING flight organization. We are not a FLIGHT School. We are in the time building business. Period.
3. We fly with Current and Qualified Commercial Multi Instrument or Private Multi Pilots. The are "clients" not students. We aren't teaching them to fly.
4. The Mentor is a facilitator for our 100 hr or 200 hr plus trips. Typically 19 states in 15 days or less. "Real world Cross Country" Just check Fltaware.com The proof is in the pudding.
5. All of our Time is PIC. No dual given, no safety pilot. No Mickey mouse, or Minnie Mouse.
6. Some of our Mentors are MEI's. They can log dual given just like the level D sim instructors do. You will find out about this when and if you get to that level.
7. We have been in Business since 2002. 5,500 clients from all over the world.
8. We fly all over the USA and Bahamas under PART 91.
9. Our rates are the best in the world Period. $96.00 per hr WET, thats right including FUEL, CHARTS, CHECKOUT and INSURANCE. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

If you are paying more than $200.00 per hr for PIC MULTI Seneca 1 or $70.00 for PIC C172 you are paying too much arent you!!!
When you get the sutures out and the bleeding stops, come see us. or Contact me at 305-510-8817. We will save you time and money Period.

As a former FAA Operations Inspector, I suggest you read the CFR's and understand them, or get real experience before you show your ignorace of the business of aviaiton. The boss and I will be happy to educate you, and help you in your aviaiton career. The people in our company especially the owner and myself know the business of Aviation.

Jeff Britt Sr. Senior Development and Sales Manager. APPP :rawk:
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Are you serious? On a thread about people not having jobs your trying to sell flight time? Lots of class...
 
HVYMETALDRVR said:
Are you serious? On a thread about people not having jobs your trying to sell flight time? Lots of class...
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There's a certain network of people that band together to sell snake oil during every upturn and downturn. Trust me.

Crackin' that glass case is difficult.
 
737fltman said:
Pursuant to the numerous uneducated and unprofessional posts pertaining to APPP Accelerated Professional Pilot Program.
Here are facts. Listen up.
1. I am the Senior Development and Sales Manager for APPP. My background is Airlines 6000 plus hrs on the EMB145, BAE J32, Assistant Chief Flight Instructor, Corporate Pilot, Contract Pilot, Military Pilot and FAA Operations Inspector.
2. APPP is a TIME BUILDING flight organization. We are not a FLIGHT School. We are in the time building business. Period.
3. We fly with Current and Qualified Commercial Multi Instrument or Private Multi Pilots. The are "clients" not students. We aren't teaching them to fly.
4. The Mentor is a facilitator for our 100 hr or 200 hr plus trips. Typically 19 states in 15 days or less. "Real world Cross Country" Just check Fltaware.com The proof is in the pudding.
5. All of our Time is PIC. No dual given, no safety pilot. No Mickey mouse, or Minnie Mouse.
6. Some of our Mentors are MEI's. They can log dual given just like the level D sim instructors do. You will find out about this when and if you get to that level.
7. We have been in Business since 2002. 5,500 clients from all over the world.
8. We fly all over the USA and Bahamas under PART 91.
9. Our rates are the best in the world Period. $96.00 per hr WET, thats right including FUEL, CHARTS, CHECKOUT and INSURANCE. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

If you are paying more than $200.00 per hr for PIC MULTI Seneca 1 or $70.00 for PIC C172 you are paying too much arent you!!!
When you get the sutures out and the bleeding stops, come see us. or Contact me at 305-510-8817. We will save you time and money Period.

As a former FAA Operations Inspector, I suggest you read the CFR's and understand them, or get real experience before you show your ignorace of the business of aviaiton. The boss and I will be happy to educate you, and help you in your aviaiton career. The people in our company especially the owner and myself know the business of Aviation.

Jeff Britt Sr. Senior Development and Sales Manager. APPP :rawk:
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Get a life $100 an hour? I can do $40 an hour at my local flight school and not have some yokol telling me where to go...I charge at least $500/day for your services that you're making money off of. GET A LIFE!!! and get out of HERE!!!

rant over
 
GlenA said:
A lot of instructors burn out teaching the internationals so spots open up.
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You can sure say that again and gee I wonder why that is. :rolleyes:
You teach them correctly about a subject and ask about it again a week later and they say um sir, i don't remember. How does a pre private pilot applicant still not know how to use trim? or explain why we turn on the fuel pump in case of an engine failure.... :banghead:
Yes every student pilot needs their hand to be held at times but not through the entire course my god. Its frustrating especially when you got them training on flight instruements or multi engine and the instructor still has to explain why are spins bad to the student or help them communicate on the radio.
 
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