rd757
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Jack Roush (Roush-Fenway Racing) flies his Premier 1, 2-3 times weekly single pilot. I watch him do it from our flight line at YIP. He is based in a hanger we lease to him.
RD
Cessna Citation X... is it certified for one crewman?
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Jack Roush (Roush-Fenway Racing) flies his Premier 1, 2-3 times weekly single pilot. I watch him do it from our flight line at YIP. He is based in a hanger we lease to him.
RD
The 20 series got a bad rap because it was a very hot airplane COMPARED to what was out there at the time. The -23 was indeed a hot rod and you could peg the VSI up or down and there were not a lot of other clues about what the airplane was doing. And so you had some fliers who had little to no jet experience climbing into a machine that handled, climbed and landed like many military jets. The truth was.. fly the Lear 23, 24 and 25 by the numbers and they were really quite honest airplanes.
Bill Lear had originally hoped for single pilot ops but the FAA said NO WAY. Some of the early -23s had switches and panels set up within reach of the left seat to facilitate single pilot ops. But it was not to be. And considering the time, it was probably the right decision.
On the other hand, the Citations are quite easy to fly and anyone who can remember to keep the Citation below 200kts in the pattern can learn to do a reasonable job with the airplane. The Cessna engineers accomplished a great feat designing an airplane where you have to screw up and PERSIST at it to really get yourself in trouble.But..then some pilots are very creative and persistent
What would be so difficult about 20 series single pilot ops, if at least the cockpit was set up for it? Make the requirements more stringent, if that's needed; but single-pilot turbojet ops isn't that difficult. You and I both flew the -38, and we didn't kill ourselves single-pilot.
Uh...not sure what you're saying here.yep, its a 500 something citation
The 500 series is the CE-500 type. The Cj is the CE-525 (in this case, CE-525S) type. They aren't the same. They both can be flown single pilot. I think you're on that page, but I haven't heard a Cj referred to as a "500 something" citation.
Ooh...ooh...I heard the eclipse can be flown single pilot too. Cirrus, Piper and Diamond are supposed to have some single pilot jets coming out. AFAIK Embraer's Phenom is single pilot.
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OldTownPilot
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Yeah same page. What I tried to say is that any Citation that starts with a 5 can be done SP except for the Excel. I know about the separate types and stuff. I guess I tried to explain it in too few words.
I don't know what ever happened to the eclipse with single pilot. I know the intention was there, but it seemed that the operating rules changed once a week. The cirrus, diamond and piper jets are all supposed to be single pilot once certified.
Raja. Owe ya a beer.
AFAIK, it was single pilot. I know a guy who's typed in it...I'll ask.
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OldTownPilot
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Totally forgot about that one. Transcon on a single pilot jet.
anic: I hope the provided headset comes with a cord and a PTT switch that will reach the crapper.
Totally forgot about that one. Transcon on a single pilot jet.
Ooh, good point.
I can do about four before the little yellow light pops on.
TFaudree_ERAU
Mashin' dem buttons
Would that be the yellow "eyeball" light?
PGT
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Totally forgot about that one. Transcon on a single pilot jet.
"Center, request permission to leave frequency to get wx"
Gotta be creative!
Orange Anchor
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You do realize the SJ-30 was in development at the same time as the original Cessna CJ and not one SJ-30 has been even certified yet. And it was originally planned to be in market BEFORE the CitationJet?
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
So long as he doesn't have a stroke when he hits V1.
amorris311
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two weeks ago i was flying home and had to sit up front and after a bottle of water and some laughs i was thinking seriously about using the head. well the fa must have been reading my mind because she called up to ask if anyone had to use the restroom. the ca and fo look at eachother and say nope we are all good. i must have had the look of a first grader on my face because the fo didnt even ask and said the js had to go. i dunno how you can hold it for 6 hours! jeez at least it is a good excuse to get up and stretch a little!Totally forgot about that one. Transcon on a single pilot jet.
CK
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Yes I am farmiliar with the project. It is my understanding that the airplane has been certified and they have already delievered atleast one airplane, although I think they have made three delieveries.
Alex.
hemaybedid
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I believe the SIC training requirements for aircraft that require a PIC type are in 61.55. Check it out, pretty basic stuff. More than just the landings though.
Orange Anchor
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I stand corrected. The FAA website shows 5 airplanes on the registry. Meanwhile there is the CJ, CJ1, CJ2, CJ3, CJ4 and the PLUS variations.
The early study done in Professional Pilot Magazine said buyers liked the SJ's numbers but were very concerned about maint and support. Buyers were willing to give up some performance for reliability, support and parts.
The early study done in Professional Pilot Magazine said buyers liked the SJ's numbers but were very concerned about maint and support. Buyers were willing to give up some performance for reliability, support and parts.
braunpilot
What day is it?
Think about all those eclipse owners right now.
CK
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I don't think anyone will take the side that the SJ30 is a more successful aircraft than any of the C525 series. There are flaws with the SJ30 and I highly doubt it will ever see the success I wish it would. Last year we were in the market for a single pilot jet, the SJ30 was not on my list.
Alex.
Orange Anchor
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Swearingen had a proposal back in the 70s for a small SSBJ with wings shoulder mounted. Never left paper. He knows how to design fast, quick airplanes. Getting them to market is another hurdle altogether.
One report I read noted the wing is a VERY complex design just asking for a lot of maint. I could be wrong...