Cessna CE - 525 Type Rating

I have a CE-525(s) type rating.

I didn't pay for it.

I have around 3k TT lots of turbine pic.

I am currently flying a King Air pt. 135

Now I didn't pay for my type in the Cj but I would be soooo bummed if I did. Even with my experience I have seen 2 Cj jobs come and go in the north bay and the employers wouldn't touch me. Why? Because I was too inexperienced.

So think of the value your SIC type will have. None. Sorry but if I were you I would wait until you have 1500 hours the old fashioned way being a CFI. Then go and pay for a Cj type and get your ATP at the same time.

An ATP ride in the Cj is a hell of a lot simpler than in a Seminole IMHO. Single engine is a cinch and the avionics are redonkulus in terms of situational awareness - even if they fail an MFD or PFD.

So your on the right track but first you need 1500 hours and pass your ATP written. Also be sure to brace yourself for the fact that your neato PIC Cj type will have ZERO value but at least you got your ATP.

If you find someone who will hire you to fly right seat in a Cj good for you. Just remember unless your going to Canada or Mexico you only need 3 bounces to be a legal SIC. You don't need to pay for anything. Its called a 61.55b sign off. 3 landings and your golden. Save your money for time building or for your ATP checkride.

A type rating is worthless unless you have lots of PIC in type and a job offer... SIC type even worse.
 
Learn to fly by instructing. Use the 5k for instructor ratings. The amount of experience you will gain through the experience of obtaining your instructor ratings is incomparable to the (IMO, non-existent) experience you would "gain" by setting down a huge chunk on a worthless SIC type.

Ask yourself this: What is the intrest rate for that $5000 loan? What is that SIC really going to cost with Interest?? Do your folks know that the SIC will bring in ZERO revenue? Those CFI tickets you could train for will MAKE money. I made $40,000 my first year instructing in San Diego.

If you are dead set on blowing $5k, I'll tell you how to go about the process.

Las Vegas. Get yourself a couple hookers and go on a weekend bender. I bet you'll have more fun then an hour in a Citation. Hell, you could even stop by the Career Expo that Doug is throwing. Take some of your parents hard earned money and buy some of the out of work pilots at the expo a beer and a meal!
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Just my .02
 
TwinCessnaDriver said:
Learn to fly by instructing. Use the 5k for instructor ratings. The amount of experience you will gain through the experience of obtaining your instructor ratings is incomparable to the (IMO, non-existent) experience you would "gain" by setting down a huge chunk on a worthless SIC type.

Ask yourself this: What is the intrest rate for that $5000 loan? What is that SIC really going to cost with Interest?? Do your folks know that the SIC will bring in ZERO revenue? Those CFI tickets you could train for will MAKE money. I made $40,000 my first year instructing in San Diego.

If you are dead set on blowing $5k, I'll tell you how to go about the process.

Las Vegas. Get yourself a couple hookers and go on a weekend bender. I bet you'll have more fun then an hour in a Citation. Hell, you could even stop by the Career Expo that Doug is throwing. Take some of your parents hard earned money and buy some of the out of work pilots at the expo a beer and a meal!
:bandit:

Just my .02
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LOL if he spent 5k buying drinks at the bar for JC members it would probably be better for his career than an SIC type.
 
a little late to the conversation, but follow the advice in looking at other options.

there are a lot of us pilots with over 2000-3000 hours who are barely getting into turboprops and light cabin jets.
 
dude, Gone are the days of getting a "real Job" with 350 hours and a fresh commercial! Do yourself a favor and build some time and experience while flight instructor'ing'ing! It will pay off for you in the long run! Trust me, and everyone else on that!
Besides, at 350 hours, you will be so far behind that plane, that you will be flying it from the rear lav!
 
Seriously. If someone walked up to Delta next week with 350 hours and a 747-400 type rating, there's probably be a big old "cartoon" question mark over the recruiters head!
 
here is who is hiring right now. . . (non corporate) usually lower times than the corporate guys. . . Show us again where 350 would get you hired? and remember, a lot of corporate flying is flying around the owners themselves (heads of successful businesses) and the FAMILIES of these folks. . . think they want a 350 hour pilot to do this?!?!?!? mmmmmmmm

AMERIFLIGHT
Interviewing & Hiring.
Minimums: 1200 TT / 50 ME / FAR Part 135.243(c)


AMERICAN EAGLE AIRLINES
Interviewing & Hiring. (~100 Pilots)
Minimums: 1000 TT / 200 ME


AIR WISCONSIN AIRLINES (AWAC)
Interviewing & Hiring. (~20-30 Pilots)
Minimums: 1500 TT / 500 ME / Previous Turbine & Airline Experience.


COMMUT AIR
Interviewing & Hiring
Minimums: 1500 TT / 300 ME

COLGAN AIR
Interviewing & Hiring (~150 Pilots)
Minimums: 1000 TT / 100 ME; Preferred: 1500 TT / 200 ME

COMPASS AIRLINES
Interviewing (~60 Pilots)
Minimums: 1500 TT / 1000 ME; ATP Preferred
Application Window to re-open 02/15/2010


GOJET AIRLINES
Accepting Applications
Minimums: 1000 TT / 200 ME; Turbine experience preferred



GREAT LAKES AIRLINES
Accepting Applications
Minimums: 750 TT / 50 ME


VIRGIN AMERICA
Interviewing & Hiring
Minimums: ATP / 5000 TT / 1000 TPIC; A320 Type Preferred
 
Having spoken with probably every HR manager in the country over the past few months, that list has quite a few holes in it. Where is that from anyway?
 
from Jetcareers. . . someone just posted it on the airline section . . . meant it really for the fact that the mins for times are all in the 4 digit category.
 
I recently posted for a 525B position for SIC. I would rather have a pilot with more experience than the type rating. Only one of the the four guys I hired had ANY jet time let alone a specific type rating.

If you get on board a gig like this, it's easy to get the 61.58 training right in the plane, get an 8710, and get the type while you fly AND while you get paid!

Spend the $5k on hours or as stated on ratings (instructing). That having been said, I REALLY like the Vegas idea. Networking while buying beers gets you a long way.......OR put it all on black and spin the wheel.
 
If he has a connection and can be relatively guaranteed the opportunity to fly the Citation, why not? Being a CFI is not for everyone, but highly advisable, why not? It is a lot of money, but if it gets you in the door, something to consider.
 
A CE525 SIC type and 350 total time will get you NO WHERE. Spend the $5k on your CFI or a down payment on a refrigerator repair course at ITT Technical Institute. Either one of those things would be better for your career than the SIC type.
 
Jimmy_Norton said:
A CE525 SIC type and 350 total time will get you NO WHERE. Spend the $5k on your CFI or a down payment on a refrigerator repair course at ITT Technical Institute. Either one of those things would be better for your career than the SIC type.
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This post needs to be stickied. Seems every couple months we get this question. Go get your CFI and get paid to build experience.
 
jhugz said:
This post needs to be stickied. Seems every couple months we get this question. Go get your CFI and get paid to build experience.
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Hey if he REALLY wants to drop $5k he should come down here. I'll do his training and sign off his worthless SIC paperwork for less! Ha
Not that I'm encouraging him to pay for a type-rating......that would cause a fight.
 
All i was asking for was some advice, no need to be dis respectful. I appreciate everyone's opinon, as you all have more experience than I. I know I'm young and have low hours, I was just looking for a way to get my foot in the door somewhere. I wish people wouldn't jump to conclusions. I'm not a spoiled rich kid that has a daddy with a Citation. I know I misworded one sentence that made it look that way, however it was not meant like that. I had won some cash scholarships and saved money by fast tracking flight training, and wanted to use the money I had saved/received to better my education/training. I am currently in the process of finishing my CFI's and stated that in my initial message. I wouldn't dream of trying to search for a job without having those CFI ratings ( plus it's required for my degree).

On another, better note, I received a chance to get Citation Encore + SIC training through Flight Safety in Wichita, and just finished the first week of the systems training (starting in the sim Monday after the systems test!). I come to you guys with a few more questions because I'm always looking for advise from other professional pilots. What would be the best way to go about getting the landing to get the SIC type, and what is a good way to get a start into the corporate aviation career? Also, do you have any extra tips on studying for the systems exam (specific things, besides memory items, to know, etc)? Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Once again I'm sorry if I came across as a stupid, young kid, it was never meant that way and I didn't mean to "disrespect" the other pilots with thousands of hours more than me, I just wanted some professional advice.

Thanks
 
Getting the sim time at Flight Safety will mean more than the SIC rating. Learn the systems don’t worry too much on the limitations since they are scattered around the cockpit on placards and the instruments.

From what I have heard learning the Pro Line 21 will take up most of your time.
 
Funny thing you mention that because that has been by far the toughest part of the learning curve. Right when I think I know what I'm doing with the FMS, I end up looking dumb. I've studied the systems really really hard and go to bed seeing the diagrams in my head, so hopefully it all pays off. Thanks for the advice!
 
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