Captains second hand smoke is killing me...

Next time he lights up, grab the nearest fire extinguisher and empty it in his face. That'll show him.

;)
 
MikeD said:
Nor does it have to do with gas masks,
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I was very serious about the gas mask! I actually cannot stand second hand smoke and if 165 bucks means not losing a few years of my life to potential lung cancer I would wear that thing every car ride. Hopefully he wouldn't take offense from it and it might turn into a comedy. At the very least I would get a home depot filtered mask though for cig smoke they would probably be pretty useless.

I would at first of course try what you already did to confront him. But a gas mask = no more confrontation and both parties happy...maybe laughing. Oh and I would so get the yellow hood too just for effect. But that is just my personality, if you can't joke about something than whats the point?
 
Ian J said:
I would recommend SERE to everyone out there just so I can laugh at them before they go. Embrace the suck! Don't we have some future SERE attendees on the board or did they already go? If they haven't gone yet, we should make a thread that scares the crap outta them.
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SERE School is pure HELL. After I attended in Warner Springs, I went and made 20 copies of my graduation paperwork and vowed I would never ever go back. I learned that waterboards and other sadistic devices had very powerful ways of coaxing information from weak prisoners like me. Damn, I hated that place.
 
BTAcola said:
....He is an older guy, and is stuck in his ways. Ive told him that the smoke bothers me but he doesn't seem to listen to it.

.....because he truly does treat you like an equal....

.....he will always smoke...

....but I DO NOT WANT TO comrpomise the mutal respect we have going....
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I hate to tell you, but as I read your post, your captain doesn't give a rats ass what you think, and there is no mutual respect on his part. Being OK to work with when you have everything your way is not mutual respect.

You should not be subjected to his smoking in your professional capacity - period. Define what is acceptable to you and tell him firmly, giving him the opportunity to find a mutually acceptable way to remedy the situation. If that doesn't work, you can discuss it with your supervisor but make sure you document every conversation and what was said. Always maintain the highest standards of respect and professionalism but be firm and to the point.

If you are unable to find satisfactory results, you might consider contacting OSHA for help. If the company has elected not to help you up to this point, I would begin to think that perhaps this job was not as good as you might of thought.

Good Luck...
 
MikeD said:
Umm. Smokers have a right to smoke. One always has the option to leave. Now if he was following you around and blowing smoke in your face when you were attempting to leave, that's a different story.

I'm not a smoker at all, but I disagree with "smoke free" laws, simply due to my being someone who doesn't like more and more laws being created to "protect us". If a private owner wants to make a restaurant, for example, smoke-free, then that's up to them. But there shouldn't be laws created for that purpose.

Now, this doesn't keep you from asking in the form that mikeyG above stated........a tactful request.
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What i posted was tactiful and respectful. Smokers do not have the right to smoke in a confined space that I occupy such as a rental car if I am required by my job to be in that car (company does not provide 2 rentals, one for each pilot).

Sorry but your off on this one.
 
Start driving the car and making him ride in the passenger seat. When he lights his cigarette roll down all the windows in the car and hit the window lock.

This of course is a last resort to really confronting him and letting him know how much this bothers you. Don't P-foot around the issue. Lay it out and let him know that his behavior is unacceptable.
 
BTAcola said:
In the case where it is in the same car- I used a bad example- we just don’t go 5miles and that’s it, we both like to see the city a bit where we are. So, it’s more like, 5hrs a trip we spend in the car in a city. I said 5minutes, to give reference that he will literally smoke one cig and use the end of it to start the other… it’s literally just like that.
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Wait a minute. So the problem isn't so much in the 5 minute ride to the hotel (mandatory), it's the sight seeing trip in the local area for a few hours (voluntary) that the smoking issue really starts to get to you?

That's certainly a different set of circumstances.
 
Don't go sightseeing with him! If he asks why, tell him what the problem is. He then has two options---agree to not smoke when you're in the car sightseeing with him, or he can go alone. :)
Then you've put the ball in his court and you can see what kind of person he really is.
 
Seems to me the final solution would be for the company (Captain) to go out and hire a F/O that smokes. Problem solved.
 
I am personally hurt that the whole "start smoking" thing was dismissed so readily. Smoking is wonderful and relaxing. Plus, it makes you look cool. It helps me not yell the word "F_-_-!!!" at least 10 times per day. Plus, I would have gotten the aforementioned finders fee from RJ Reynolds and Altria (formerly Philip Morris). I get $5 if I can get an adult to start, and $20 if I can get a youngster 16 years or under to start. Smoking solves problems (like this one - it wouldn't be an issue then) and generally improves QOL (up until cancer, or emphysema - but those won't happen until later anyway and you'll be old then so who cares). They say quitting smoking will add ten years to your life - but it is the last ten, so what are you really gaining? That last ten could very well be spent impotent, incontinent while laying in a ratty nursing home with mean nurses (because you couldn't afford a good nursing home because you quit your good flying job due to the Captain smoking...)

Here is a final PSA about the benefits of smoking:
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On the contrary, it gets funnier with each expository installment. "Start smoking" sounds dismissive and arrogant. But Waco is putting the proper amount of thought and craftsmanship in to his well-reasoned responses. I'm convinced, I'm going to start smoking.
 
My guess would be that your hypersensitivity to a few whiffs of cigarette smoke is a stress reaction caused by a new flying job (a job which is stressful enough anyway). You have to repress your stress while flying, but once on the ground it finds an outlet. Some find an outlet in drink, sex, driving/riding fast, etc., while others find it in anger — politics, race, company management, or, in your case, second-hand smoke.
Exercise is the best antidote for stress.

It only bothers you because you allow it to bother you.

To take it all to another level, when one looks back on all the young men who died flying in combat, who died from mechanicals, bad luck and all the other things which have killed aviators over the years, having to endure a few minutes of second-hand smoke is so trivial as to be laughable.

Waco is not being as facetious as he seems. In Asia it is not uncommon for doctors to advise their patients to start smoking as a way to control nervous disorders.

Still, +1 on the • factor. You're a pilot, remember?
 
Boris Badenov said:
On the contrary, it gets funnier with each expository installment. "Start smoking" sounds dismissive and arrogant. But Waco is putting the proper amount of thought and craftsmanship in to his well-reasoned responses. I'm convinced, I'm going to start smoking.
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Excellent! That is $5 more dollars...or one pack of cigarettes! Seriously...all the talk about the health dangers of second-hand smoke, but no talk of the health dangers of the stick most non-smokers have stuck far up their asses - that can't be healthy.

Jimmy_Norton said:
I just don't understand how anyone with an IQ above 75 continues to smoke these days.
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At am 80 IQ and have just finished a satisfying and refreshing Pall Mall...so much for your theory.
 
WacoFan said:
At am 80 IQ and have just finished a satisfying and refreshing Pall Mall...so much for your theory.
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To be fair, he didn't say it doesn't happen just is curious why. Maybe you can help with that? Like why, knowing the certainty of a degradation of health at some point, a smart person would continue to inhale noxious and poisonous chemicals?

(Other than being addicted)

Now, I would never challenge any persons right to enjoy a legal form of recreation, as long as that enjoyment does not come at the expense of others.
 
mtsu_av8er said:
Because it tastes really good. Like a cheeseburger, or a corndog, or a french fry.
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I can get behind that explanation! I was addicted to cheeseburgers, and fries. I had to really work to break myself of that habit so that I may have better health as I get older. I know you love corndogs:)
 
Bumblebee said:
To be fair, he didn't say it doesn't happen just is curious why. Maybe you can help with that? Like why, knowing the certainty of a degradation of health at some point, a smart person would continue to inhale noxious and poisonous chemicals?

(Other than being addicted)

Now, I would never challenge any persons right to enjoy a legal form of recreation, as long as that enjoyment does not come at the expense of others.
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Probably an overly fatalistic personal worldview keeps me from worrying about things I perceive to be far into the future, if in fact that future ever arrives, at the expense of something I enjoy now.
 
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