Cancelled 2/3 of interviews.

Justin S said:
Working for regionals can be tough. But listen, 98% of the people are amazing to work with, you get to fly advanced aircraft and do things that beat working in an office! I would be prepared AGAIN for low pay, long hours and late nights. All this with a goal in mind. Better QOL when you work your way up the ladder. I would approach the 121 world with long term goals and go in with that mindset. This is a stepping stone to get to the next rung on ladder. I understand where you are coming from so its either jump in now or have the possibility of regrets in the future. Neither decision is wrong because you will make do with what you have! Good luck and be optimistic about change and errors; its all in how you view the glass.... you know where I am going! LOL

Best
J
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Even though what you say is 100% true, it is still so sad. There is no other country in the worl that has salaries inching up to a McDonalds cashier when it comes to flying a small regional airliner. No other country that I know of would even dare to offer a $1000/month job (after taxes, medical etc..) to a qualified applicant. I sure hope this changes soon. I don't understand how they're getting away with it still and how the thought of flying a jet makes some newbies sacrifice everything including their health just to say they're on the right seat.

1st year F/O pay should start at $35k at least.
 
Ruben Garay said:
Even though what you say is 100% true, it is still so sad. There is no other country in the worl that has salaries inching up to a McDonalds cashier when it comes to flying a small regional airliner. No other country that I know of would even dare to offer a $1000/month job (after taxes, medical etc..) to a qualified applicant. I sure hope this changes soon. I don't understand how they're getting away with it still and how the thought of flying a jet makes some newbies sacrifice everything including their health just to say they're on the right seat.

1st year F/O pay should start at $35k at least.
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Don't some European airlines have PFT still?
 
GypsyPilot said:
Don't some European airlines have PFT still?
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I know KLM and British Airways have cadet programs. I know of a few airlines in Australia that have similar programs. You have to realize that there is no GA infrastructure as large as the one in the US anywhere else in the world. It is far easier, from an economic standpoint to get a private pilot's license and subsequently rent an aircraft for an OK penny compared to places like Europe, where gas prices were 10 years ago what they are today here. Not only that, but the demand for private flying is so much less over there, that the airlines have to build a cadet program. PFT is always debated, but I think it's an ok route, as long as you're not one of those kids with rich parents that help you pay for actual flight hours in a type. (i.e Eagle Jet).
 
Ruben Garay said:
Even though what you say is 100% true, it is still so sad. There is no other country in the worl that has salaries inching up to a McDonalds cashier when it comes to flying a small regional airliner. No other country that I know of would even dare to offer a $1000/month job (after taxes, medical etc..) to a qualified applicant. I sure hope this changes soon. I don't understand how they're getting away with it still and how the thought of flying a jet makes some newbies sacrifice everything including their health just to say they're on the right seat.

1st year F/O pay should start at $35k at least.
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I think it should be even more than that honestly. Especially when you consider the amount of time, effort, and money necessary to get to the right seat of an RJ in the first place.

I make around your figure my first year with my current employer, and I fly a friggin' Cirrus SR-22.
 
Apophis said:
I think it should be even more than that honestly. Especially when you consider the amount of time, effort, and money necessary to get to the right seat of an RJ in the first place.

I make around your figure my first year with my current employer, and I fly a friggin' Cirrus SR-22.
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I love the Cirrus. I got my private on an SR-20 here in SoCal. You fly charter in the SR-22?
 
Ruben Garay said:
Even though what you say is 100% true, it is still so sad. There is no other country in the worl that has salaries inching up to a McDonalds cashier when it comes to flying a small regional airliner. No other country that I know of would even dare to offer a $1000/month job (after taxes, medical etc..) to a qualified applicant. I sure hope this changes soon. I don't understand how they're getting away with it still and how the thought of flying a jet makes some newbies sacrifice everything including their health just to say they're on the right seat.

1st year F/O pay should start at $35k at least.
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I made slightly more than your target figure my first year at my current regional.

That said, your target is woefully low. I'd say 55k. A friend of mine is a college student with a paid internship at Boeing, an pulling in 52k as an intern without a college degree. There's really no reason for it to be under 50k.
 
desertdog71 said:
I'm gonna come to your regional and go "Weeeeeeeee, like the GEICO Pig." When we break out on top of a layer of stratus.

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I screamed the "Peanut Butter Jelly Time" song when we broke through a cloud layer in the sim the other day to help the Captain relax on a LOFT. So far we'd had a popped breaker, de-iceing, unpress takeoff, windshear on the canarsie climb (supposedly accident), and wing heat fail (standby worked).

Poor guy.
 
Apophis said:
I make around your figure my first year with my current employer, and I fly a friggin' Cirrus SR-22.
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Question is the potential going forward. Dont get me wrong I love the Cirrus but if the company doesn't upgrade aircraft in the future not sure on the growth.
 
jynxyjoe said:
I screamed the "Peanut Butter Jelly Time" song when we broke through a cloud layer in the sim the other day to help the Captain relax on a LOFT. So far we'd had a popped breaker, de-iceing, unpress takeoff, windshear on the canarsie climb (supposedly accident), and wing heat fail (standby worked).

Poor guy.
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Sounds like SIM

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Ruben Garay said:
Even though what you say is 100% true, it is still so sad. There is no other country in the worl that has salaries inching up to a McDonalds cashier when it comes to flying a small regional airliner. No other country that I know of would even dare to offer a $1000/month job (after taxes, medical etc..) to a qualified applicant. I sure hope this changes soon. I don't understand how they're getting away with it still and how the thought of flying a jet makes some newbies sacrifice everything including their health just to say they're on the right seat.

1st year F/O pay should start at $35k at least.
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It is that way. That's pretty close to what I made first year according to my W2 without picking up any overtime, although some argue that per diem isn't pay. If I didn't get a bonus and if I was stuck on reserve making min guarantee things would have been different. Hopefully pay will go up soon for us all though.
 
Jet said:
It is that way. That's pretty close to what I made first year according to my W2 without picking up any overtime, although some argue that per diem isn't pay. If I didn't get a bonus and if I was stuck on reserve making min guarantee things would have been different. Hopefully pay will go up soon for us all though.
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RJ FO here and I'm the first one saying that pay needs to go up, but I made 55k last year with per diem and I didn't work for about 4 months because training at Pinnacle was so goofy. Don't want to make it sound more grandiose than it is but for four months I made base pay with a little perdiem if I wasn't training in Memphis. I would have made 60 I think if I had continued without training. Would be doing great this year too if Pinnacle hadn't decided to purposefully run themselves into bankruptcy.

My wife doesn't make much more than min wage and we are about to buy our second house (first one rented). There's times when the paycheck pisses me off but then I look at everything I have (material, savings, health) and I can't get mad for very long. The economy will get better, there will be more jobs. Just keep chugging.
 
pete2800 said:
I made slightly more than your target figure my first year at my current regional.

That said, your target is woefully low. I'd say 55k. A friend of mine is a college student with a paid internship at Boeing, an pulling in 52k as an intern without a college degree. There's really no reason for it to be under 50k.
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I agree. 50k to even get me to look at it.
 
jynxyjoe said:
RJ FO here and I'm the first one saying that pay needs to go up, but I made 55k last year with per diem and I didn't work for about 4 months because training at Pinnacle was so goofy. Don't want to make it sound more grandiose than it is but for four months I made base pay with a little perdiem if I wasn't training in Memphis. I would have made 60 I think if I had continued without training. Would be doing great this year too if Pinnacle hadn't decided to purposefully run themselves into bankruptcy.

My wife doesn't make much more than min wage and we are about to buy our second house (first one rented). There's times when the paycheck pisses me off but then I look at everything I have (material, savings, health) and I can't get mad for very long. The economy will get better, there will be more jobs. Just keep chugging.
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You"re 5+ years on the line I assume?
 
Ruben Garay said:
You"re 5+ years on the line I assume?
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Yeah, I did pretty well compared to some. Upgraded in a year (switched companies to one who was upgrading immediately, not quite a street captain) and was captain for years 2 and 3 with a line for Mesaba, wasn't FO again until year 4 until now (7 years as an FO) was making CA pay at year 5 at Mesaba.

For a guy who is still an FO I did pretty well because I only spent one year as a broke FO (Colgan) and I'll probably be hired somewhere good within a year or two if the economy improves. Obviously a lot of guys have done better but for a guy who did alright I can't complain too much when I've seen a few horror stories. Also helped I refused to go into the industry when you had to pay for a job (Gulfstream and the like). I made good money doing a few different things paying down debt until I went into the airlines.

Don't think I'm a min guarantee guy either, I pick up open time (not so much when I was a captain though).
 
jynxyjoe said:
Yeah, I did pretty well compared to some. Upgraded in a year (switched companies to one who was upgrading immediately, not quite a street captain) and was captain for years 2 and 3 with a line for Mesaba, wasn't FO again until year 4 until now (7 years as an FO) was making CA pay at year 5 at Mesaba.

For a guy who is still an FO I did pretty well because I only spent one year as a broke FO (Colgan) and I'll probably be hired somewhere good within a year or two if the economy improves. Obviously a lot of guys have done better but for a guy who did alright I can't complain too much when I've seen a few horror stories. Also helped I refused to go into the industry when you had to pay for a job (Gulfstream and the like). I made good money doing a few different things paying down debt until I went into the airlines.

Don't think I'm a min guarantee guy either, I pick up open time (not so much when I was a captain though).
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Right on, good for you mate. It makes me happy to hear all of that. Good luck with everything :)
 
Nope never did fly a BE99 but I did have the pleasure of flying a DA-42! It took Jet A and has more bells and whistles than the saab! As if that would be hard to out do! When did you fly a BE99? Cargo?
 
Justin S said:
Nope never did fly a BE99 but I did have the pleasure of flying a DA-42! It took Jet A and has more bells and whistles than the saab! As if that would be hard to out do! When did you fly a BE99? Cargo?
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I was actually disappointed in the DA42. Yea it did everything but I couldn't see 4 hrs in it to get anywhere. The stick was also an issue with me and my left leg.
 
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