E-3's!
Canadian Pilot Exodus to the US
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E-3's!
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
Those are the perks you get when you show up to every war you’re invited to.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Tell me you've heard of Cathay Pacific without telling me you've heard of Cathay Pacific.
ASpilot2be
Qbicle seat warmer
I haven't heard of too many complaints over here. Obviously there's gonna be some bad apples in every bunch though.
USMCmech
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Once upon a time, rich people covered their wooden floors with expensive rugs.I think it speaks to a much broader conversation about the future of the country. We've both made higher education hyper-expensive and also convinced ourselves that it's some sort of elitist indoctrination zone. However, we still need Masters and PhD's to remain relevant on the world stage. But other westernized nations are still cranking out educated people with reckless abandon. Deep thoughts…
Then one day polyester shag carpet became affordable. Soon every household floor (including the bathroom) was covered in ugly wall to wall shag carpet.
Now wood flooring is a luxury item and rich people brag about having oak floors.
Once upon a time, a college education was super rare and valuable. Only the top 5% of the population could get in to a college. Having a college degree meant you had been educated an order of magnitude beyond the average citizen. A post graduate degree was even more rare.
Then in the mid 20th century colleges were expanded and college degrees were pushed as the sure path to prosperity. Now 50% attend college and 35% graduate. A college degree isn't as rare or valuable as it once was. When you add in the burden of student debt the ROI is nowhere near what it once was.
Meanwhile plumbers, welders, mechanics, electricians are pulling in 6 figures with little or no student debt. What was once common cheap labor is now rare and valuable.
CFI A&P
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NovemberEcho
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The average person in each of those fields isn’t pulling in 6 figures.
Median plumber salary: $59k
Median welder: $47k
Mechanic (auto): $55k
Electrician: $60k
Roger Roger
Paid to sleep, fly for fun
But once you count in the obligatory knee/back surgery it gets better! Wait no.
I’ll agree that there is a looming shortage of folks in the trades. But the trades need to change culture as much as anything to help that. The “haze the FNG, and OSHA rules just make our work slower!” Crap has to die out. Not to mention the caveman attitude immediately turns off a certain half of the population.
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KLB
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My electrician was out in my garage and up in my attic yesterday when the temperature outside was in the 90's. There is a reason why these jobs pay what they do. It's because there is general some amount of undesirable suckage associated with them. There is sucksge at any job. It is up to the person looking to enter into various career fields to find out how much suckage and what type of suckage they are willing to put up with.
This is my argument when the "ole plumbers make 6 figures...college isn't really needed." argument comes out. Just let folks pursue what they desire and not try to push them one way or the other.
Roger Roger
Paid to sleep, fly for fun
See, I agree that we need trades people and we should encourage kids to pursue that. But I’ve noticed a funny contrast. The same people who talk about how kids should go into trades, because society needs them there, as if they owe society something (personally, I think we all do!) are the first to scream about how a corporation’s only obligation is to make $$$ for the shareholders, not to provide services and goods that people need, not to provide living wages for their employees, and heaven forbid they engage in some “woke crap” like championing diversity or the environment. They must ONLY be about profits for the shareholders!
not sure if that makes sense or not but it does in my head.
KLB
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I also personally don't see anything wrong with someone going to college, getting a 4 year degree, and deciding that they want to be a plumber, welder, or electrician. And all college isn't expensive. Broward college offers 4 year degrees at just $118 per credit hour.
I had an odd conversation with a lady in my group fitness class. She was complaining about her daughter and the resultant debt from her studying "Opera" in college. Well, that's the first problem. But then she said, "if I knew she could made $18 hour at (local coffee shop) I wouldn't have had to waste money on college" which is another problem.
Oh, it'd be WestJet!
Seriously though, all the open skies proponents have some delusion that it's going to be an Emirates A380 with discount business class service from Fresno to Phoenix…. tablecloths, full meal service, low prices.
Meanwhile, here comes EasyJet and the complaints about having to pay to use the overheads.
Seriously though, all the open skies proponents have some delusion that it's going to be an Emirates A380 with discount business class service from Fresno to Phoenix…. tablecloths, full meal service, low prices.
Meanwhile, here comes EasyJet and the complaints about having to pay to use the overheads.
Ian_J
Hubschrauber Flieger
Bru, that’s $37,440 a year. That’s some dope stacks.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
Exactly. It'd just be like Europe where Ryanair, Vueling, Wizz Air, Easyjet, and their subsidiaries set up bases across the continent and killed a bunch of long-established full-service airlines then started a race to the bottom where the legacy EU carriers now have all economy configs but curtain off X rows per flight as biz class depending on sales and block the middle seat. Still economy legroom and comfort, just with a meal and early boarding/deboarding, but that is acceptable when airlines too cheap to use jetways as part of their model are now your only alternative. It is starting slowly in the Middle East and Africa too, as FlyDubai has started FlyEgypt and Air Arabia has a subsidiary attacking RAM's home turf in Morrocco on routes where the legacy has never had any real competition.Oh, it'd be WestJet!
Seriously though, all the open skies proponents have some delusion that it's going to be an Emirates A380 with discount business class service from Fresno to Phoenix…. tablecloths, full meal service, low prices.
Meanwhile, here comes EasyJet and the complaints about having to pay to use the overheads.
Luckily for us here in Murikeh, even though ULCCs are just as popular here as they are in Europe, there is still a sizable expectation for premium legacy cabins and the ULCC long haul carriers are wildly unpopular with many of our citizens after they tried them out. I have no doubt that open skies would have most airlines looking like Spirit and AA within a decade domestically, but luckily those trying out Norse, LEVEL, etc tend to say it was horrible and usually will pay a little more next time for less misery. I think that is the only reason that ULCCs in EU and Asia quickly went longhaul with the 787s and A330NEOs and such but here in The States 6-7 hours seems to be the "ULCC ass in seat limit".
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