CAL negotiates CPA with Skywest, will let XJT CPA expire

[surreal1221]

We got an increase and are not going to have to park any 50 seaters now. As of June, 50% of Comair's operations will be in the Northeast. Yeah I'm wating to see how that will work out of JFK.

Good luck with D-0. . .anic:

You guys have ACARS + w&b + performance data?

 

[H46Bubba]

Good luck with D-0. . .anic:

You guys have ACARS + w&b + performance data?

Nope! Old school paperwork baby!:nana2:
There's a plan in the works for RJ flights in JFK. We'll just have to see if it makes it from the planning stages to reality.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

I would find it very difficult to vote yes on any proposal that weakens the XJT ALPA CBA. However, I think xjet may be looking at extinction if they don't make this happen.

Please don't even consider thinking about concessions. Concessions at a regional are just ridiculous. Your CBA has nothing to do with any of this, and don't let the management goons convince you otherwise.

 

[Alchemy]

Please don't even consider thinking about concessions. Concessions at a regional are just ridiculous. Your CBA has nothing to do with any of this, and don't let the management goons convince you otherwise.

I think the CBA has something to do with this....the xjt scope clause as it stands would force them to merge the lists in the event of a buyout. Amending the scope is one of the coditions which must take place for the buyout to occur. While I agree that the lists should be merged if this buyout went forward, I don't think skywest would even consider doing it. It would likely mean the unionizaton of skywest pilots, and apparantly that's something that their pilots and obviously their management do not want to occur.

Like I said previously though, I have only a passing second hand knowledge of what's transpiring, and I will *probably* go with the reccomendation of my MEC if/when it comes to that. I'm sure they will make a fine decision.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

I think the CBA has something to do with this....the xjt scope clause as it stands would force them to merge the lists in the event of a buyout.

As it should. That language was negotiated with exactly this sort of situation in mind. Why would you then give up that language when exactly that planned-for situation comes to be reality? The language is there for a reason. A merger must occur. Allowing separate operations would be a disaster.

 

[surreal1221]

Oh no. . .who's list would be merging?

Ah joy.

 

[Alchemy]

As it should. That language was negotiated with exactly this sort of situation in mind. Why would you then give up that language when exactly that planned-for situation comes to be reality? The language is there for a reason. A merger must occur. Allowing separate operations would be a disaster.

Well, I guess the precedent would be to look at ASA and ask them how things have been going over there in the 2 years since Skywest acquired them from Delta. It seems like ASA pilots have not experienced any terrible hardships as a result of that transaction. Of course, that's no guarantee the same thing would happen to xjet. I'm with you, ideally xjet maintains its scope and the lists get merged if a buyout occurs. With ASA and XJT under the same roof, skywest would be dealing with a lot of union power. I think those two groups could potentially work together and make skywest a better place.

 

[jtrain609]

Guys, I think some of you are reading this wrong. This is a notice that ExpressJet will be gone one way or another. Check it out.

It says that if Skywest aquires ExpressJet then the new CPA with Skywest will go into effect. It then says if Skywest DOESN'T aquire ExpressJet and ExpressJet doesn't give them new rates, then they take 51 airplanes now and give them to Skywest, then they let the CPA and thus, the company, die in 2012.

The pilot group WILL NOT give anything back, and especially not by June 28th. There's not a freaking chance of that. With that, the pilot group will burn the company to the ground.

It's over guys, they pulled the nuclear option and they're saying, "You can destroy the company yourselves, or we can do it for you. Your choice."

 

[Clocks]

Well even if xjet decided to take no action and go out of business, nothing would change until 12/09 when 51 more aircraft would be pulled. Then it would be a year later before the remaining aircraft started being pulled.

And not a single decision is required to be made prior to 12/08 (even though CAL plans to deliver notice about the 51 airplanes 5 months early, it's not required).

So there isn't a need for xjet management to rush into anything. This buyout negotiating process could comfortably stretch out another 5 months into fall without hurting anyone.

 

[kellwolf]

Guys, I think some of you are reading this wrong. This is a notice that ExpressJet will be gone one way or another. Check it out.

Going back to what I said earlier, even if the sale goes through, XJT isn't guaranteed to make it through anyway. Skywest has said they'll use a subsidiary to buy XJT. Well, with the scope clause gone, there is NOTHING to stop Skywest from taking those planes and moving them to another cert. I doubt Skywest wants to go through the headache of having another ALPA regional under the banner. I'd see them moving the planes and closing shop on XJT. I think the only reason they haven't done this with ASA is b/c there's a minimum number of flights in and out of ATL in ASA's Delta contract.

 

[Ralgha]

Let's face it, the EMB-135/145 is a great airplane. They are safe, reliable, and comfortable (even for longer flights) when outfitted properly (like xjet branded has done), but they're increasingly uneconomical to operate in today's environment.

What is it with people's love affair with the ERJ? It's no more safe or reliable than most any other airliner, and judging from the ones I've flown on, it's no more comfortable than a CRJ, and nearly as loud as a Brasilia (our Brasilias have better seats, in my opinion).

It's an average airplane, not bad, not great.

 

[SoCalAprch]

What is it with people's love affair with the ERJ? It's no more safe or reliable than most any other airliner, and judging from the ones I've flown on, it's no more comfortable than a CRJ, and nearly as loud as a Brasilia (our Brasilias have better seats, in my opinion).

It's an average airplane, not bad, not great.

Maybe if you are 4 feet tall its as comfortable as a CRJ. The windows blow and I hate the 2x2 seating. At lease in the ERJ you have a chance of getting the one sided seat where there is no one sitting next to you. I think its much more comfy than the small CRJs. Just my opinion though.

 

[meyers9163]

Maybe if you are 4 feet tall its as comfortable as a CRJ. The windows blow and I hate the 2x2 seating. At lease in the ERJ you have a chance of getting the one sided seat where there is no one sitting next to you. I think its much more comfy than the small CRJs. Just my opinion though.

I'd have to argue... I think the 2x2 seating is what makes the CRJ. IN addition I personally hate the flight desk of a ERJ.... So compact and cramped.... At least in the RJ you have more room. However I personally could care less about the back. As long as the front is comfy. In addition the only Rj with the window below is the 200.... yeah bad design but oh well.... The CRJ7/9 arent like that and are just find..... Flew on my first 900 the other day. I really found it quite comfy myself.....

 

[Chris_Ford]

Yes but you're comparing the 145 to the 700. Try comparing the 170 to the 700... No comparison. From a pax standpoint, EMBs win. Although a 145 vs 200 could go either way.

 

[Bumblebee]

What is it with people's love affair with the ERJ? It's no more safe or reliable than most any other airliner, and judging from the ones I've flown on, it's no more comfortable than a CRJ, and nearly as loud as a Brasilia (our Brasilias have better seats, in my opinion).

It's an average airplane, not bad, not great.

The single seat is tight, and my knees were jammed against the seat in front of me. In the Bro I am more comfortable.(save the noise). The flight deck looked a little better than the Bro.

As far as caring about the seats in the back, if the customers aren't comfortable it won't matter if you like the seat in the flight deck on a parked airplane

 

[Clocks]

The single seat is tight, and my knees were jammed against the seat in front of me. In the Bro I am more comfortable.(save the noise). The flight deck looked a little better than the Bro.

As far as caring about the seats in the back, if the customers aren't comfortable it won't matter if you like the seat in the flight deck on a parked airplane

I think we all know the only thing important to customers is which ticket is cheapest on the discount websites, because flying in any airplane when its full (except a $1,000 first class seat) is a miserable experience no matter what.

 

[Bumblebee]

I think we all know the only thing important to customers is which ticket is cheapest on the discount websites, because flying in any airplane when its full (except a $1,000 first class seat) is a miserable experience no matter what.

Not all customers . . . but I do agree that most people don't travel that much, and they would rather spend their dough (not Agent Smith) at the destination

 

[Alchemy]

What is it with people's love affair with the ERJ? It's no more safe or reliable than most any other airliner, and judging from the ones I've flown on, it's no more comfortable than a CRJ, and nearly as loud as a Brasilia (our Brasilias have better seats, in my opinion).

It's an average airplane, not bad, not great.

Sheeze, I was just trying to soften the blow of my "uneconomical" criticism by preceeding it with a compliment. Didn't mean to offend any CRJ jocks....

 

[surreal1221]

I think the only reason they haven't done this with ASA is b/c there's a minimum number of flights in and out of ATL in ASA's Delta contract.

80% of all DCI flying into/out of Atlanta must be under the ASA banner.

So bring a new DCI company into ATL, and ASA will see an increase in flying as well. So it works to just give that flying to ASA. . .

Just wanted to give that 80% number.

Along with the fact that no other company has the resources available (planes, staff) to provide the lift that is being provided into and out of Atlanta. So it's a benefit for Skywest Inc. Can't really say I fault them for purchasing ASA years ago, and for a killer deal I might add.

 

[casey]

Please don't even consider thinking about concessions. Concessions at a regional are just ridiculous. Your CBA has nothing to do with any of this, and don't let the management goons convince you otherwise.

its not as ridiculous as it sounds. Read letter 1 in our CBA, it deals with scope between us and whoever owns us. Skywest's purchase would be contingent on us giving up some of the language in that letter.