C525 missing over Lake Erie
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obx
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Yep, you change your address and get a new plastic certificate and it changes the date of issue. I haven't had a new type rating in 8 years and it looks like I got a new one about a year ago.
learhawkerbe400
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This is not true. Just when his certificate was updated.
Oxman
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I was taking off out of TEB and leveled off at 1500 coming up to the infamous WENTZ. The captain starts yelling at me " what are you doing!?" CLIMB! Climb to 2000! I firmly told him while pointing to the MFD map "we're not even at WENTZ, we have to be at 1500 for WENTZ". He got his IPad out and looked. He the saw the 1500 in between the 2 lines. He was quiet the rest of the flight home.
KLB
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Even when I flew with the same guys routinely, we always thoroughly briefed this departure. It's way too easy to screw up.
Oxman
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We flew everyday, but he was old and cranky and months from retirement. So his temper was short. One day the owner of the plane didn't do the flight log with trend monitoring. When he discovered it he threw the bag of ice I got from the FBO out of the plane along with the newspapers while we're sitting on the ramp. That made a 2.5 hour flight home fun for me.
kryan11
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What was the urgency to leave their based airport after a basketball game? I'd have to wonder if alcohol was involved in some of these decisions.
Oxman
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Divers assembled in search for missing plane with 6 aboard
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/di...ing-plane-with-6-aboard/ar-BBxIcG8?li=BBnb7Kz
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/di...ing-plane-with-6-aboard/ar-BBxIcG8?li=BBnb7Kz
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — A dive team was assembled in Cleveland on Saturday to begin recovery efforts for a small plane carrying six people that disappeared over Lake Erie near Cleveland's shores.
Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson expressed condolences to the family and friends of those who lost loved ones, as the city took over from the U.S. Coast Guard after an extensive search effort ended in disappointment.
John T. Fleming, chief executive of a Columbus-based beverage distribution company, was piloting the plane. His wife, Suzanne, their two teenage sons, John "Jack" and Andrew, and two neighbors whose names have not yet been released were aboard.
Fleming's father, John W. Fleming, told The Columbus Dispatch the family and friends were attending a Cleveland Cavaliers basketball game.
"We're just in shock," he told the newspaper.
The Coast Guard suspended its search Friday for the plane that vanished shortly after takeoff Thursday night from the city's lakeshore airport.
Officials said divers and other marine experts were meeting to set a recovery strategy to be run out of a unified command center at Burke Lakefront Airport. They planned to begin the search at the last point of contact with the small aircraft.
Tracking service FlightAware logged only three location pings for the plane after takeoff from Burke Lakefront Airport, and the last one indicated rapid altitude loss. Authorities have said there were no distress signals from the pilot.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/di...ing-plane-with-6-aboard/ar-BBxIcG8?li=BBnb7Kz
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/di...ing-plane-with-6-aboard/ar-BBxIcG8?li=BBnb7Kz
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — A dive team was assembled in Cleveland on Saturday to begin recovery efforts for a small plane carrying six people that disappeared over Lake Erie near Cleveland's shores.
Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson expressed condolences to the family and friends of those who lost loved ones, as the city took over from the U.S. Coast Guard after an extensive search effort ended in disappointment.
John T. Fleming, chief executive of a Columbus-based beverage distribution company, was piloting the plane. His wife, Suzanne, their two teenage sons, John "Jack" and Andrew, and two neighbors whose names have not yet been released were aboard.
Fleming's father, John W. Fleming, told The Columbus Dispatch the family and friends were attending a Cleveland Cavaliers basketball game.
"We're just in shock," he told the newspaper.
The Coast Guard suspended its search Friday for the plane that vanished shortly after takeoff Thursday night from the city's lakeshore airport.
Officials said divers and other marine experts were meeting to set a recovery strategy to be run out of a unified command center at Burke Lakefront Airport. They planned to begin the search at the last point of contact with the small aircraft.
Tracking service FlightAware logged only three location pings for the plane after takeoff from Burke Lakefront Airport, and the last one indicated rapid altitude loss. Authorities have said there were no distress signals from the pilot.
Was it freezing rain in the hours before, and did they de-ice? It's about far more than conditions at time of departure.
BEEF SUPREME
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I've put my job on the line and firmly said F this I'm deicing before takeoff. I'm never flying contaminated.
Do they even have de-ice capability at Burke?
Do they even have de-ice capability at Burke?
milleR
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One of the colossally frustrating aspect about this kind of accident is nobody's job was on the line. The PIC was the CEO with his family and friends in the back. "The boss made me do it" line simply doesn't fly (no pun intended) in this case.
BEEF SUPREME
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For me its the fact that the destination was a two hour drive away. I hate Uber but they would have been way better off with an Uber.
Regardless 200$ and they would have been around for NYE. I'm going to have tacos at a buddies house with my wife and kid.
Hmmmm Tacos.
milleR
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No argument here. There's almost no way flying saved time in this case. For some people it just seems like having access to/owning a plane makes terrestrial transportation unacceptable. I hate the winter simply because the logistics are such a pita when it comes to $12/gal for glycol or a hangar overnight.
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
I've refused to fly trips with captains because they refused to deice. I've also watched contaminated aircraft depart in horror, hoping they wouldn't flame one in. People that do crap like that, do it because they've done it before and haven't killed themselves.
Absolutely not saying that happened here but with the lack of oversight that 91 single pilot weekend warriors operate in, is downright scary.
Absolutely not saying that happened here but with the lack of oversight that 91 single pilot weekend warriors operate in, is downright scary.
dustoff17
Still trying to reach the Top Shelf
Oh, OK, thank you. All this time I thought the NTSB based the outcome of every investigation (as a sole source of information) on the weather at the time of take off. Appreciate the clarity..
Dr. Sprite
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Takeoff in cruddy conditions, quick turn to the right, hurry up and level off. Maybe bust the altitude and try to correct. A frequency change.
Hand flying and that situation can get out of hand in about 5 seconds. Especially for someone in any jet that's new to them.
Hand flying and that situation can get out of hand in about 5 seconds. Especially for someone in any jet that's new to them.
NovemberEcho
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Takeoff at night over water in bad weather, maybe lost the horizon and he got vertigo?
Low&Slow
Ancora imparo
I knew a guy who did that in the Florida Keys a few years back in a C182. Clear sky, no moon.
Departed, lost the horizon over the beach while climbing, got vertigo, stall-spin, fatal impact in the ocean. Killed himself and his passenger. They could have driven to their destination in 45 minutes, but wanted to fly and look at the night scenery.
They said it appears he was probably looking back, over his shoulder at the shore, and increased bank and pitch at the same time, lost situational awareness, then got vertigo and spun in..
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