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Hi all. Haven’t posted in forever but this thread and a Reddit thread I saw brought a question to my mind. What happens to pilots who are making landings in poor conditions and bust through standard operating practices? If you’re landing and you pitch too high or roll too much and passengers complain what happens? I know dispatch sometimes calls sometimes but what’s the consequence?

Hope this question makes sense
 
CrazyJ628 said:
Hi all. Haven’t posted in forever but this thread and a Reddit thread I saw brought a question to my mind. What happens to pilots who are making landings in poor conditions and bust through standard operating practices? If you’re landing and you pitch too high or roll too much and passengers complain what happens? I know dispatch sometimes calls sometimes but what’s the consequence?

Hope this question makes sense
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It doesn't....
 
seagull said:
Just looked at some notes on it:

The first point is that he had disconnected the autothrust because it would have got in the way of what he was intending to do. This of course disabled alphafloor, so that doesn't come into it.
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Autothrust on or off does not affect the availability of the alpha floor function. Only RA and total failure of the auto thrust would inhibit it.

The conclusion of your post is absolutely correct.
 
CrazyJ628 said:
Hi all. Haven’t posted in forever but this thread and a Reddit thread I saw brought a question to my mind. What happens to pilots who are making landings in poor conditions and bust through standard operating practices? If you’re landing and you pitch too high or roll too much and passengers complain what happens? I know dispatch sometimes calls sometimes but what’s the consequence?

Hope this question makes sense
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Well, most SOPs make some allowances for adverse conditions, but ultimately unless a pilot bends metal or someone gets hurt they most likely won’t hear a word about violating an SOP on an approach. Passenger’s don’t know and would have no way of knowing if an SOP was violated. Also, it is possible to be perfectly within SOP and have an unavoidable external influence cause damage or injury so those aren’t guarenteed signs of any SOP or regulation violations.

Passengers who complain about a pilot “pitching too much” or “rolling too much” will most likely be met with a form letter appologizing for a bad experience and boilerplate assurances about safety being priority number one with a $25 or $50 voucher thrown in. The pilots who flew that flight would never hear a word about it.
 
CrazyJ628 said:
Hi all. Haven’t posted in forever but this thread and a Reddit thread I saw brought a question to my mind. What happens to pilots who are making landings in poor conditions and bust through standard operating practices? If you’re landing and you pitch too high or roll too much and passengers complain what happens? I know dispatch sometimes calls sometimes but what’s the consequence?

Hope this question makes sense
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Well, if it's anything like the last time I flew the Expressway Visual in gusty winds at night, what happens is a mean old lady from Long Island starts swinging her purse at me and accuses me of trying to kill her because "the airplane was straight sideways and I thought we were going down" :rolleyes:
 
n156499000 said:
CrazyJ628 said:
Hi all. Haven’t posted in forever but this thread and a Reddit thread I saw brought a question to my mind. What happens to pilots who are making landings in poor conditions and bust through standard operating practices? If you’re landing and you pitch too high or roll too much and passengers complain what happens? I know dispatch sometimes calls sometimes but what’s the consequence?

Hope this question makes sense
Click to expand...

Well, most SOPs make some allowances for adverse conditions, but ultimately unless a pilot bends metal or someone gets hurt they most likely won’t hear a word about violating an SOP on an approach. Passenger’s don’t know and would have no way of knowing if an SOP was violated. Also, it is possible to be perfectly within SOP and have an unavoidable external influence cause damage or injury so those aren’t guarenteed signs of any SOP or regulation violations.

Passengers who complain about a pilot “pitching too much” or “rolling too much” will most likely be met with a form letter appologizing for a bad experience and boilerplate assurances about safety being priority number one with a $25 or $50 voucher thrown in. The pilots who flew that flight would never hear a word about it.
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Thanks. It helps to not type a question when you’re half asleep.
 
adk said:
Well, if it's anything like the last time I flew the Expressway Visual in gusty winds at night, what happens is a mean old lady from Long Island starts swinging her purse at me and accuses me of trying to kill her because "the airplane was straight sideways and I thought we were going down" :rolleyes:
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I watched that happen to another crew once. The captain called the police and pressed charges. The company asked him not to pursue it but he did. No idea what happened in the end though.
 
BobDDuck said:
I watched that happen to another crew once. The captain called the police and pressed charges. The company asked him not to pursue it but he did. No idea what happened in the end though.
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One of our crews had that happen on a circling approach (450’) in gusty winds. The medcrew thought they were going to die (“We were only a few feet above the trees!”)
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Crazinsss here in VA too. We are lucky that we are protected by a mountain to the north and west. No damage here, but definitely some spooky sounds as it blew around us. Plus about 18 hours without power.
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That's why I'm thankful to live in a townhome that's covered by a pretty kickass association (though for a pretty penny), which includes emergency generators. "Hun, the power just went out. Oh well, standby 10 seconds and we'll get it back." 10 seconds later, power is back. Wife goes online FB for a NJ moms group and the whole thread is blowing up about NJ being without power, while I sip my second cup of cappuccino made by an electrical plug-in coffee maker.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
That's why I'm thankful to live in a townhome that's covered by a pretty kickass association (though for a pretty penny), which includes emergency generators. "Hun, the power just went out. Oh well, standby 10 seconds and we'll get it back." 10 seconds later, power is back. Wife goes online FB for a NJ moms group and the whole thread is blowing up about NJ being without power, while I sip my second cup of cappuccino made by an electrical plug-in coffee maker.
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My friends up in Stillwater weren't supposed to get power back until today from the last storm, and then this one hit.

Tree fell across my friends road in Stillwater and took out the lines so the power company cut a tunnel

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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
That's why I'm thankful to live in a townhome that's covered by a pretty kickass association (though for a pretty penny), which includes emergency generators. "Hun, the power just went out. Oh well, standby 10 seconds and we'll get it back." 10 seconds later, power is back. Wife goes online FB for a NJ moms group and the whole thread is blowing up about NJ being without power, while I sip my second cup of cappuccino made by an electrical plug-in coffee maker.
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Losing power on occasion is a fair price to pay for not living right on top of people. I’d lose my mind.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Losing power on occasion is a fair price to pay for not living right on top of people. I’d lose my mind.
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Self contained generator wired directly into your house.

If I was staying in my current house another year I’d be getting one set up and ditching the gas generator and extension cords in my garage.

May not be coming back this way so we shall see, but if I do the next house will get a backup power source.
 
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