Seggy
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So you are saying life expectancy isn't increasing?
I don't. However, I'm not ignoring science.
I know. Flying to age 65 isn't the issue. Lifestyle choices are the issue.
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So you are saying life expectancy isn't increasing?
I don't. However, I'm not ignoring science.
I know. Flying to age 65 isn't the issue. Lifestyle choices are the issue.
JDean3204
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I remember a good friend getting an interview with Republic. He just hit ATP mins and was a CFI at my school. He was not hired at Republic, he said he was the only one that did not have previous 121 experience or any turbine time. So he is now an FO for Horizon, which I am sure is a better outfit anyway.
The point I am trying to make is what exactly is Republics standards? I know this kid was a great CFI and had a few other time building jobs as well. It seems that Republic mostly hired those who were jumping ship at other regionals to maybe fly the "bigger" jets.... Or maybe I am way off and am in right field picking daisies. Either way, I am not buying that only 18% of the applicants met Republics standards.
The point I am trying to make is what exactly is Republics standards? I know this kid was a great CFI and had a few other time building jobs as well. It seems that Republic mostly hired those who were jumping ship at other regionals to maybe fly the "bigger" jets.... Or maybe I am way off and am in right field picking daisies. Either way, I am not buying that only 18% of the applicants met Republics standards.
Seggy
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I agree those age requirement are equally as foolish.
amorris311
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Is the guise of 65 being a medical issue outdated? Maybe, and for that I'll side with your argument. As a society we need people to retire and die.
If someone at 65 hasn't figured out how to make life work, then why should I glorify their decision making?[/QUOTE]
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B767
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Age 65 is stupid. It should have stayed 60. Science proves yada yada. I don't care. These guys knew what the retirement age was when they entered this industry. These are the same guys that repeat to regional FOs that complain about pay and work rules "you should have known what you were getting in to." It's not my fault they made terrible life choices. It is their fault I'm flying a regional jet for low pay and less than ideal work rules (not because they forced me to fly for a regional - but because they thought they were too good to fly a tiny jet).
Patrick
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This. They knew what the rules of the game were when they started. And, yes, isn't hypocrisy a bitch?
B767
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Had a Fedex jumpseater once that told me they get one pension check a month upon retirement. On average, retiree's collect 24 checks before passing away.
bushleague
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I don't understand the ATP logic for F/O's either. In the case of 3407, the F/O had Commercial, and about 2200 hrs TT. If she held an ATP, would it have made any difference in this case?
Nark
Macho Superpilot
Take this for what it's worth: I had 25 minutes to asses you as someone who would share the cockpit with me (not so far future). Was your friend able to convey in his assessment that he would:
1: pass training.
2: not be a risk to HR and
3: be a functional member of a crew?
I bombed my Ameriflight interview years ago. I thought that closed a door; Instead I flew the same plane for a much larger pay check elsewhere. Looks like your friend is in the same boat. Same airplane, much better contract.
bushleague
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Pretty soon you'll need just a driver's license and a pulse, oh and an ATP. Someone by the name of Paige from Republic Airways sends me a really nice email once a week (Airline Apps), begging me to come interview. I'm rated in the 170, but I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.
Eagle421flyer
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Truth.
My friend at CAL tore his shoulder when he was 53 (he also runs a car business) while he was out on LTD he did some digging and discovered the same thing....the longer we fly the faster we die when we retire (coincidently he retired when this happened). I believe the data I saw also made exponentially jumps in the last 5-7 years....
For example you fly to 65 you last until about 67
retire at 60 last until about 76
where as if you quit about 55 you last till about 80
Given how bad the industry has been I completely understand wanting to fly until 65, but I think the only way I want to do that is if I sit on reserve and fly once a month. I'd like to live long enough in retirement to actually enjoy it.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Back in January I operated a passenger trip. 3-man to Germany, then ~20 hours later operated 2-man to the Middle East and back to Germany. Now, if you take the square root of the longitude divisible by the 38th parallel (for the requisite Jong-un correction), subtracted from the declination of the light of Venus (corrected for swamp gas effect), what's your unacclimated duty day if you start at 3am local?The 1500 hour rule fixed the same things as FAR 117. Amiright?
Was trying to explain the acclimated versus unacclimated rule when it comes to theaters and how a theater is the same as long as you're not more that 60 degrees of latitude (longitude? I forget).
Over beer.
Hilarity ensued.
(Yay! Two pilots couldn't recover a stalled airplane, WE DID SOMETHING!)
Aaaaaaand go.
