Breaking news...GA crash at DVT

TopGunn said:
you are a tool dude. Go volunteer or something and make your self useful.
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You might want to actually shut up and do a little more paying attention to what people say on this forum before making such comments. You've been here for what, a month? I kinda think Mike knows just a bit more than you...

I'd also recommend you take another page of learning from this situation. If you're going to be flying around with other pilots, building time or just building experience, you really need to lay down some ground rules with them first. Before you guys even get in the plane, have a simple briefing about who the PIC is AND that if either one of you is uncomfortable with a situation, don't hesitate to speak up. Often times I think there's nothing worse than two private pilots flying around together, particularly if they aren't both on the same page.
 
RIP :( If it quits, land it straight ahead, and under control.

Champcar said:
The PPL PTS should require Spin Entry and Accelerated Stall training.
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Here we go again!

A voice that hollers "BANK ANGLE, BANK ANGLE" would be handy.

What scares me about these accidents is that most likely a lot of these pilots are very competent and good. They just had a moment where their head was up an orifice or just got distracted.. and I think jeez I could easily do that.
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Fate is, and always will be, the hunter.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
RIP :( If it quits, land it straight ahead, and under control.



Here we go again!

A voice that hollers "BANK ANGLE, BANK ANGLE" would be handy..
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I think it's impractical to expect warning doodads for every conceivable situation in a light piston aircraft. This isn't an airliner, it's a Cirrus. If anything, the warning voice that goes off for abnormal situations should be the instructors voice in the pilot's head.
 
wrxpilot said:
You might want to actually shut up and do a little more paying attention to what people say on this forum before making such comments. You've been here for what, a month? I kinda think Mike knows just a bit more than you...

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I suggest you stay out my conversation with him. Thank You.
 
TopGunn said:
you are a tool dude. Go volunteer or something and make your self useful.
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MikeCWebb has taught me a lot just listening to him. A 45 degree bank in the pattern is ok probably, as long as it's coordinated. What I've seen is that coordination is lacking a lot of the time. Bank angle will scare people and they'll cheat with with rudder and make the plane cross controlled and then you spin. Of course, that TOOL MikeCWebb could disagree with me and I'd listen...because I acknowledge he knows more than me. You are foolish.
 
WacoFan said:
MikeCWebb has taught me a lot just listening to him. A 45 degree bank in the pattern is ok probably, as long as it's coordinated. What I've seen is that coordination is lacking a lot of the time. Bank angle will scare people and they'll cheat with with rudder and make the plane cross controlled and then you spin. Of course, that TOOL MikeCWebb could disagree with me and I'd listen...because I acknowledge he knows more than me. You are foolish.
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I called him a tool on a totally different reason. Not questioning his knowledge or intellectual level. I have not known him to judge him. His atitude portrays to be more of an arrogant person. If i type something, that sounds foolish, i dont mind being corrected. But for someone to be at his "caliber", the least you expect is moronic statements.
 
wrxpilot said:
I think it's impractical to expect warning doodads for every conceivable situation in a light piston aircraft. This isn't an airliner, it's a Cirrus. If anything, the warning voice that goes off for abnormal situations should be the instructors voice in the pilot's head.
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That too...but if you've got the equipment, might as well use it to protect the aircraft and occupants.
 
Champcar said:
The PPL PTS should require Spin Entry and Accelerated Stall training.
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Why? You spin a plane at 500 feet and I don't care who you are, its probably not going to come out of the spin before you run out of air. A vast majority of spin accidents are low altitude, where even having exact training in what to do in the situation wouldn't help. Teach people how to avoid spinning in the first place.
 
KSCessnaDriver said:
Why? You spin a plane at 500 feet and I don't care who you are, its probably not going to come out of the spin before you run out of air. A vast majority of spin accidents are low altitude, where even having exact training in what to do in the situation wouldn't help. Teach people how to avoid spinning in the first place.
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Should we take out stalls in PPL also? Just go to the first indication every time? We don't really want to stall an airplane do we?

More training is always a good thing. It just adds another tool to the toolbox. You're right that spin prevention and awareness is vital, however how is it going to hurt to actually see us some spins at a PPL level?

What I'm really wondering is if the chute would have saved her life if used? There aren't many options coming off the 25's low level.
 
jhugz said:
It just adds another tool to the toolbox. You're right that spin prevention and awareness is vital, however how is it going to hurt to actually see us some spins at a PPL level?
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Yes, it hurt people quite a bit, as it was removed from the PTS.
 
TopGunn said:
you are a tool dude. Go volunteer or something and make your self useful.
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*First off, the fact that a user name "TopGunn" posted that about mikecweb is probably the funniest, most ironic thing that I have seen all day. :yup:

+1 For aerobatic/spin training early on in a flight career. Glider experience (spins/aerobatics in gliders?) I think make a huge difference in situations like these. I find that my students with glider experience have a great stick and are very comfortable and safe with maneuvering the plane aggressively and safely at the same time.

I have nothing wrong with making a 500' AGL pattern with all 45* bank turns in a Cub, as long as the pilot actually knows what they are doing, and are comfortable doing it.
 
My flight school requires at least 1 hour of spin training prior to taking the private checkride in either the Pitts, Great Lakes, Citabria or Decathlon. It is a personal requirement when I teach thats for sure.
 
I did spin/aerobatic training in a Great Lakes... very beneficial and SO MUCH FUN!!!

RIP fellow aviator :(
 
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