Breaking news...GA crash at DVT
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Nothing wrong with being conservative, especially without recognition training. But wouldn't hurt to go out and get it too, especially because you recognize your deficiency. Thats good.
Depends on the airplane. Most planes, yes. Others, if you roll the plane, it won't turn.....it'll just fly straight ahead, just in a bank that you put it into. Fighters have this problem. For them, you have to roll into the desired bank, setting your lift vector, then pull the nose around in order to make the turn happen. So it just depends on the airplane type. In a Cessna, you can bring the nose around too, just have to stay coordinated as much as possible and/or be able to feel what the airplane is trying to tell you, if you don't.
Final turn overshoots can be salvaged, it just requires some finesse, some control feel and feel for the aircraft, and SA to recognize when to abandon the recovery attempt and just fly out/go around. It's no huge deal. And 45 degrees is nothing.
TopGunn
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:guns:
TopGunn
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Right. 45 degree is nothing. But he made extra effort to get aligned with the runway. I can bet the bank was atleast 50 degrees. I felt like i was sitting in an A-10. I wanted to yell at him, but again he was the PIC and paying for the rental.
Then again, maybe you won't.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
This. The wing doesn't care what your bank angle is. My advice? If you can't afford spin training, spend some of that time you'd otherwise spend watching the air go by horsing around with the airplane at a safe altitude. If a 45 degree bank scares the pants off you, do something else.
TopGunn
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you are a tool dude. Go volunteer or something and make your self useful.
I used to sit in the A-10 and do just that, and more.
So long as he knows what he's doing, it's no problem. If he doesn't, or doesn't seem to understand the maneuver or how to listen to what the aircraft is telling him....then it's "backing oneself into a square corner" time, with results that may not be good.
Champcar
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We heard you on page one.
TopGunn
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The latter portion of your statement is absolutely what the situation was.
.....and the know-how/SA described above. Nothing wrong with keeping the patterns tight.
And that normally ends bad.......as the further and further one commits into the maneuver, the less and less their escape options become.
z987k
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.....and the know-how/SA described above. Nothing wrong with keeping the patterns tight.
I do like tight patterns.
TopGunn
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You are missing the point. I am trying to emphasize on unnecessary agressiveness, especially when a person does not have the experience or knowledge to do so. I am not questioning the maneuver itself, but the capability of the pilot performing it. Many low timers think they know , including my self. But when you get into a realistic situation, it is totally different then what text book states.
To be fair, your first post didn't indicate that particular pilots inexperience. Now that you've mentioned it, then where your point is going is alot more clear. Agree. As Boris said, it never hurts to take a plane out and get some AHC (Aircraft Handling Charactistics) training accomplished at a safe altitude. Can be done solo. This isn't aerobatics or anything, just trying out turns and such at various banks or siimulating a landing pattern, with the safety of room beneath you.
Champcar
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What scares me about these accidents is that most likely a lot of these pilots are very competent and good. They just had a moment where their head was up an orifice or just got distracted.. and I think jeez I could easily do that.
That's why I am all about good habits. No need to do steep turns at 500 AGL in a non emergency situation. That way if my head is in the clouds for some reason, hopefully ill come out the other side.
That's why I am all about good habits. No need to do steep turns at 500 AGL in a non emergency situation. That way if my head is in the clouds for some reason, hopefully ill come out the other side.
None of us are immune from accidents. There are a good number of accidents out there that could've been any of us.
As I've said before, when your number is up, your number is up. Could happen anywhere, doing anything; and there's really nothing you can do about it. The grim reaper of life will come and take you away at a time and place of his choosing, and he does so with neither prejudice, nor favoritism.
Sometimes you're dealt a crappy hand, such that you were dead that day before you even took off, only you just didn't know it.
wrxpilot
New Member
:yeahthat: As soon as I got my private, I did some spin awareness training.
RIP....Be careful out there guys.
Good man!
I did the same thing... Or more correctly, I went and did some aerobatic training that included a lot of spins (Decathlon 8KCAB). It was one of the best investments in training I've ever made, and made a tremendous different in my confidence as a newly minted private pilot. I always recommended the same thing to my student pilots when they passed their checkrides.