Boeing: What happens to the 747 manufacturing space past 2022?
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Boris Badenov
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Not a Boeing person, but I think the time-horizon for a "nevermind, we'll buy twelve more" has passed. Which is weird, I'm sort of surprised that we aren't trying to get some more at firesale prices in order to keep the line open, given the insane glut of stuff that isn't getting moved. It being Brown, they're probably angling to buy some -400s out of the desert because it'll look better on a quarterly balance-sheet. Whatever, the old galley is way better, and I still get paid when they break. *shrug*
A Life Aloft
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Boeing’s 747 Jumbo Jet Era to Close Next October
Julie Johnsson November 3, 2021, 11:52 AM PDT
Boeing Co. is poised to deliver its final 747 jumbo freighter next October, marking the end of production of a storied hump-nosed jetliner that introduced air travel to the masses.
Freight and leasing company Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings Inc., which bought the rights to the last four 747-8s in January, plans to take delivery of the hulking cargo haulers between May and October of next year, Chief Executive Officer John Dietrich said during an earnings call Wednesday.
“These are the last 747s that Boeing will ever produce, and we’re delighted they’ll be coming to Atlas,” Dietrich said. Boeing didn’t immediately have a comment on the announcement by Atlas, which is the world’s largest 747 operator.
While Boeing confirmed it planned to wind down manufacturing of the four-engine freighter in 2022, following a Bloomberg story, the Chicago-based planemaker has provided few details.
The final handovers will conclude more than a half-century of production of the aircraft, nicknamed the “Queen of the Skies” for a curved frame that evokes a cruise ship. The final deliveries raise new questions about the future of their plant in Everett, Washington, which Boeing built to house the 747’s final assembly line.
latest data suggests the following delivery schedule,
Julie Johnsson November 3, 2021, 11:52 AM PDT
Boeing Co. is poised to deliver its final 747 jumbo freighter next October, marking the end of production of a storied hump-nosed jetliner that introduced air travel to the masses.
Freight and leasing company Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings Inc., which bought the rights to the last four 747-8s in January, plans to take delivery of the hulking cargo haulers between May and October of next year, Chief Executive Officer John Dietrich said during an earnings call Wednesday.
“These are the last 747s that Boeing will ever produce, and we’re delighted they’ll be coming to Atlas,” Dietrich said. Boeing didn’t immediately have a comment on the announcement by Atlas, which is the world’s largest 747 operator.
While Boeing confirmed it planned to wind down manufacturing of the four-engine freighter in 2022, following a Bloomberg story, the Chicago-based planemaker has provided few details.
The final handovers will conclude more than a half-century of production of the aircraft, nicknamed the “Queen of the Skies” for a curved frame that evokes a cruise ship. The final deliveries raise new questions about the future of their plant in Everett, Washington, which Boeing built to house the 747’s final assembly line.
latest data suggests the following delivery schedule,
- UPS – Delivery: November 2021
- UPS – Delivery: November 2021
- UPS – Delivery: November 2021
- Atlas Air – Delivery: May 2022
- Atlas Air – Delivery: July 2022
- Atlas Air – Delivery: September 2022
- Atlas Air – Delivery: October 2022
A Life Aloft
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Over 50 years of service........sad to see her go..........
Her Father, Joe Sutter
First delivery June 30th 1970
Her Father, Joe Sutter
First delivery June 30th 1970
A Life Aloft
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The prototype
Test flight
This gal is one of the UPS fleet
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A Life Aloft
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Found this:
Boeing CEO says some Everett production will be shutdown for 'quite a while'
EVERETT, Wash. — Two Boeing factories will sit empty in the north sound as Boeing looks to consolidate and fully utilize other facilities.
The company announced it will shut down the Everett production of the 787 Dreamliner by mid-2021 and move production to non-unionized South Carolina. The company plans to stop production of the 747 in Everett by 2022.
"That Everett space that's freed up, we'll sort of line it off for quite a while. I don't want to move lines from one place to another just because it's available," said Boeing CEO Dave Calhoun during Wednesday's Boeing earnings report call.
Boeing released its third quarter earnings Wednesday morning. In the report the company announced additional job cuts and noted an additional $466 million loss. The company's total loss for the year is now roughly $3.5 billion.
Boeing will cut its workforce by roughly 30,000 people. The company said it also looking to cut 30% of its office space.
"The fact is that all of our facilities are not fully utilized and we need to get them fully utilized. And we got to do that in a very methodical way," said Greg Smith, Boeing's executive vice president of enterprise operations
Snohomish County's largest employer is Boeing with roughly 35,000 workers. Snohomish County Executive Dave Somers says the county has been discussing what it can do if workers are let go. "
Here's the beginning of the construction in 1966
A Life Aloft
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And I don't know if this was discussed/posted on here:
www.heraldnet.com
FedEx to begin weekday flights between Paine Field, Memphis
The cargo carrier has taken over the lease for the Dreamlifter center, which Boeing no longer needs.
EVERETT — FedEx Express has taken over the Dreamlifter Operations Center at Paine Field and plans to launch cargo operations from the airport beginning this fall.
Last spring, the Boeing Co. was reportedly in talks to sublet the Dreamlifter facility, which the airplane maker leased from Snohomish County, to FedEx. On Friday, officials at the Snohomish County-owned airport said that they approved the transfer of the lease from Boeing to the cargo carrier.
“In July, Paine Field received a request from The Boeing Company to assign its lease of the Dreamlifter Operations Center complex, including the aircraft ramp, buildings, and vehicle parking lot, to FedEx Express. Airport staff has reviewed the request and approved the lease assignment,” Airport Director Arif Ghouse said in a statement.
“As Snohomish County’s largest economic engine, accounting for nearly $60 billion in annual economic activity, Paine Field supports the success of its tenants. We look forward to working with our newest tenant, FedEx Express, and our continued partnership with Boeing,” Ghouse said.
“We welcome the prospect of additional employment opportunities when FedEx Express starts operations later this year. This is welcome news for Snohomish County’s residents as we continue to recover from the pandemic,” Ghouse said.
FedEx will begin operating Boeing 757 flights Monday through Friday between Everett and the FedEx hub in Memphis, and the cargo carrier indicated the former Dreamlifter Center could accommodate additional activity.
“We are proud to grow our presence and enhance our services in the north Seattle market by expanding operations to Paine Field,” said Tim Wertner, senior vice president for U.S. operations west at FedEx. “Paine Field is already a driving economic force in Snohomish County, and this expansion positions our network for continued success in delivering for our customers.”
The Paine Field facility consists of three stalls for big airplanes, 25,000 square feet of warehouse space, 10,000 square feet of office space and an aviation refueling station.
FedEx said the arrangement comes with “the ability to expand with additional gates.”
The Dreamlifter’s primary use was transporting Boeing 787 airplane components. But operations at the Dreamlifter center have significantly cooled since Boeing shifted all production of the 787 model to the company’s North Charleston, South Carolina, assembly plant in March.
In a statement on Friday, Boeing said, “The Dreamlifter currently flies into Paine Field to deliver large components from Spirit AeroSystems for 767 production at a rate of three airplanes per month, greatly reducing the need for a dedicated Dreamlifter Operations Center in Everett.
“When we received an unsolicited offer for this space, we reviewed it and engaged Snohomish County to work out assigning our existing lease for the property. We refer you to Snohomish County for questions about the property and FedEx for questions about their plans,” the company said.
The Dreamlifter center opened in 2013. Snohomish County foot the cost for the $30 million facility.
FedEx to begin weekday flights between Paine Field, Memphis | HeraldNet.com
The cargo carrier has taken over the lease for the Dreamlifter center, which Boeing no longer needs.
www.heraldnet.com
FedEx to begin weekday flights between Paine Field, Memphis
The cargo carrier has taken over the lease for the Dreamlifter center, which Boeing no longer needs.
EVERETT — FedEx Express has taken over the Dreamlifter Operations Center at Paine Field and plans to launch cargo operations from the airport beginning this fall.
Last spring, the Boeing Co. was reportedly in talks to sublet the Dreamlifter facility, which the airplane maker leased from Snohomish County, to FedEx. On Friday, officials at the Snohomish County-owned airport said that they approved the transfer of the lease from Boeing to the cargo carrier.
“In July, Paine Field received a request from The Boeing Company to assign its lease of the Dreamlifter Operations Center complex, including the aircraft ramp, buildings, and vehicle parking lot, to FedEx Express. Airport staff has reviewed the request and approved the lease assignment,” Airport Director Arif Ghouse said in a statement.
“As Snohomish County’s largest economic engine, accounting for nearly $60 billion in annual economic activity, Paine Field supports the success of its tenants. We look forward to working with our newest tenant, FedEx Express, and our continued partnership with Boeing,” Ghouse said.
“We welcome the prospect of additional employment opportunities when FedEx Express starts operations later this year. This is welcome news for Snohomish County’s residents as we continue to recover from the pandemic,” Ghouse said.
FedEx will begin operating Boeing 757 flights Monday through Friday between Everett and the FedEx hub in Memphis, and the cargo carrier indicated the former Dreamlifter Center could accommodate additional activity.
“We are proud to grow our presence and enhance our services in the north Seattle market by expanding operations to Paine Field,” said Tim Wertner, senior vice president for U.S. operations west at FedEx. “Paine Field is already a driving economic force in Snohomish County, and this expansion positions our network for continued success in delivering for our customers.”
The Paine Field facility consists of three stalls for big airplanes, 25,000 square feet of warehouse space, 10,000 square feet of office space and an aviation refueling station.
FedEx said the arrangement comes with “the ability to expand with additional gates.”
The Dreamlifter’s primary use was transporting Boeing 787 airplane components. But operations at the Dreamlifter center have significantly cooled since Boeing shifted all production of the 787 model to the company’s North Charleston, South Carolina, assembly plant in March.
In a statement on Friday, Boeing said, “The Dreamlifter currently flies into Paine Field to deliver large components from Spirit AeroSystems for 767 production at a rate of three airplanes per month, greatly reducing the need for a dedicated Dreamlifter Operations Center in Everett.
“When we received an unsolicited offer for this space, we reviewed it and engaged Snohomish County to work out assigning our existing lease for the property. We refer you to Snohomish County for questions about the property and FedEx for questions about their plans,” the company said.
The Dreamlifter center opened in 2013. Snohomish County foot the cost for the $30 million facility.
///AMG
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I'd guess the future of BCA is going to be in SC. I think what that future is, has yet to be determined (aside from 777X and non-BCA KC-46). It is very true that the company owns far too much real estate for what it currently (or even foreseeably) needs. Which kind of makes sense if you think about the mergers within mergers nesting doll that is the Boeing of today.......ie they got Douglas LGB, MacAir STL (which is a massive set of complexes), PA helicopter plant, Arizona for whatever they do there, and of course the other massive set of their own of commercial complexes in the greater PNW.
A Life Aloft
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It was sad to see the hangers and all the buildings on the 100 acre site of the C-17 at LGB go. They have a lot of buildings all over Seal Beach, Huntington Beach, Long Beach, El Segundo and they've been selling off most of their properties just north and east of LGB over the last few years. They are selling a lot of the Huntington properties now as well. They've been shifting jobs out of the state for a few years and more positions are moving to Texas, the last I knew.
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Maximilian_Jenius
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Boeing builds Apaches out here in its Mesa plant.
Murdoughnut
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Joe Sitter’s biography is a good read. Disappointing that he doesn’t mention TWA 800 at all but otherwise a really good history of airplane productions and airlines in the beginning of the jet age.
Screaming_Emu
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It’s an incredible machine and I still can’t believe I’ve gotten a chance to fly it. Really hope they do something special for the last one. Someone on our pilot board suggested it would be cool to paint it in the same paint as the first one off the line.
Atlas will probably just paint it all white. Still not ok with them repainting the OG Polar.
Boris Badenov
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Is it, though? You just never know when you're going to have to find a place to park hundreds of 737s for a year or two...
///AMG
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Touche
///AMG
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Yep, you are right. I forgot that PA is MH-47, not Apache
Screaming_Emu
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WacoFan
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Super secret source says that Boeing will be introducing the next generation 737 - the "737-Eleventy-Billion MAX" and it will be a stretched version with YUGE engines carrying 1,000 (or 1,500 Asians in high-density seating and 4,500 "fleeing Saigon/Afghanistan/next hellhole" refugee seating). They will put super great software on it so it flies normal'ish and it'll be built in WA and all the people will have good paying jobs and such.