Boeing pilot shortage article

RedBaron2000 said:
Despite the shortages in the developing countries, there are still very few job opportunities for expats. Unless you have a type rating with 1000 hours in type, you generally can't get hired. They only want the expats to train the national pilots.
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Why would they pay top dollar for some random guy with no time in type? If you already have time in type, the pay can be quite good compared to here in the states.
 
Derg said:
The industry wants the MCPL bad.
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Honest question,

How would MCPL solve the industry's issues?

Flight training is still going to be expensive. At my university there are only 20-30 hours of solo time anyway.

MCPL pilots will only be able to work in one segment (121 airlines) of the industry while the "real" pilots could compete for any job they want. The regional airlines are already having trouble keeping qualified pilots.

The only way MCPL works is if the airlines fund ab intio training, which I just don't see ever happening in the US. I understand that the industry believes that they will have a trapped labor pool, but that will only last so long, and more stories about indentured servitude will drive more young prospects away.
 
RedBaron2000 said:
Despite the shortages in the developing countries, there are still very few job opportunities for expats. Unless you have a type rating with 1000 hours in type, you generally can't get hired. They only want the expats to train the national pilots.
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Depends what country. I came very close to packing up and moving to Manila when I was 20 to fly over there, and that was as a PPL. I would have gone through a cadet program and been a wide body S/O by the time I was 22, and an F/O by my mid-late 20s, . Ex-pats in the Philippines are mostly Austrilian, but I can assure you that a lot of the expats flying at places like Cebu Pacific didn't come over with ATR time, probably more like wet commercials and a willingness to relocate. Of course, the easier the job is to get, the less it pays usually.

I've found these jobs pay between what you'd get at a large LCC like Allegiant and Spirit and a good regional like Horizon. Not bad considering the experiance you get.
 
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mojo6911 said:
Why would they pay top dollar for some random guy with no time in type? If you already have time in type, the pay can be quite good compared to here in the states.
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Who said anything about getting paid top dollar? You're correct that the pay is good for those training CA's. But there's not much available for anyone else. It's all or nothing. My point was that even if you have 5000 hours with 2000 TPIC, there's not much available in the Asian countries for you. Heck, even an RJ type won't do you much good since few carriers fly them. They'd rather have a 250 hour FO in there than you.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Depends what country. I came very close to packing up and moving to Manila when I was 20 to fly over there, and that was as a PPL. I would have gone through a cadet program and been a wide body S/O by the time I was 22, and an F/O by my mid-late 20s, . Ex-pats in the Philippines are mostly Austrilian, but I can assure you that a lot of the expats flying at places like Cebu Pacific didn't come over with ATR time, probably more like wet commercials and a willingness to relocate. Of course, the easier the job is to get, the less it pays usually.

I've found these jobs pay between what you'd get at a large LCC like Allegiant and Spirit an a good regional like Horizon. Not bad considering the experiance you get.
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Interesting. I'm more familiar with Indonesia and a little with China, both markets with huge growth and not enough qualified pilots. Most expat FO's I've seen in Indonesia are part of a pay to fly program of some sort.
 
Pilot "shortage" (however define that) or not there's a reason an entity will take the time to publish an article like that. They want something. My best guess is because it's Boeing that maybe they think it will help them sell airplanes. That leads me to wonder what, about pilots entering the industry, will help Boeing sell airplanes? My best guess is that they think that enough people will become interested in learning to fly to keep the cost of employing pilots down, leading to companies spending less revenue on pilot pay and becoming more willing to look at how to expand and buy more airplanes. I suppose it would help to understand how companies actually expand and buy airplanes in a micro and macro environment, but that's my guess. Less pilots could lead to more bonus offers and lower mins and maybe even enough of a need to raise incentives like pay. That may not directly hurt Boeing but it doesn't help, either. If I'm an airline executive looking at how much it's going to cost to buy x amount of airplanes, long term and short term, I might have to look at alternatives if there's uncertainty about whether my airline will need to set aside extra money for incentives to draw applicants over a 5 year span. Perhaps Boeing sees the possibility of of a lull in large aircraft orders from certain companies because of that and wants to try and encourage more people to fly to reduce that possibility.
 
RedBaron2000 said:
Who said anything about getting paid top dollar? You're correct that the pay is good for those training CA's. But there's not much available for anyone else. It's all or nothing. My point was that even if you have 5000 hours with 2000 TPIC, there's not much available in the Asian countries for you. Heck, even an RJ type won't do you much good since few carriers fly them. They'd rather have a 250 hour FO in there than you.
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I am still having trouble grasping the crux of your rant.
 
mojo6911 said:
I am still having trouble grasping the crux of your rant.
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That despite the pilot shortage around the world, there are few job opportunities for expats. Which is exactly what I said in my original post. Not sure how that's a "rant."
 
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mshunter said:
And maybe a crashpad with one of their flight attendants too. But she had better be one of the ones that passed "inspection."
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In many Asian countries, they flat out require flight attendants to be "attractive and single". Seriously. So...there's that. But 200k and 30/30? You take these jobs if you plan to move, not commute, and if you move, even $50k would have you living like a king with maids, cooks, security, and drivers in Manila.
 
ChasenSFO said:
In many Asian countries, they flat out require flight attendants to be "attractive and single". Seriously. So...there's that. But 200k and 30/30? You take these jobs if you plan to move, not commute, and if you move, even $50k would have you living like a king with maids, cooks, security, and drivers in Manila.
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Meh, I'd still commute. So it'd be more like 26 days off, 30 on and 4 travel.
 
mshunter said:
Meh, I'd still commute. So it'd be more like 26 days off, 30 on and 4 travel.
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Pretty sure Korean Air actually has that kind of schedule for expats come to think of it, but they usually hire Westerners into the left seat with PIC in type, so there's that whole building 747 PIC time hurdle.
 
Well I went to the Mideast for the pay. I'm never home... But I make six figures.

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ChasenSFO said:
Pretty sure Korean Air actually has that kind of schedule for expats come to think of it, but they usually hire Westerners into the left seat with PIC in type, so there's that whole building 747 PIC time hurdle.
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And being bitterly resented by your native coworkers.

You don't want to be ulkomaalainen.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
And being bitterly resented by your native coworkers.

You don't want to be ulkomaalainen.
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That is true. The Koreans are very upset about the need for Westerners at their flagship carrier. However, the company is said to treat the expats better than just about anyone, including positive space biz class commuting back to the US destination of your choice. If you don't mind 14 hours of awkward silence during the cruise, not a bad gig.
 
ChasenSFO said:
That is true. The Koreans are very upset about the need for Westerners at their flagship carrier. However, the company is said to treat the expats better than just about anyone, including positive space biz class commuting back to the US destination of your choice. If you don't mind 14 hours of awkward silence during the cruise, not a bad gig.
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That was Finnish, but deal with it.
 
It's kinda cute that some of you think this is "news". Sort of like believing in Santa.

Richman
 
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