Boeing pilot shortage article

[Boris Badenov]

Boeing is Chicago based??

Try to keep up. Some MBA scumbag or another decided that uh Synergies or whatever required that Boeing move to Chicago about a decade ago. I mean, hell, do you know how much NOISE there is when your office is above a freaking hangar!? Liable to scare the Sexretaries away!

 

[Area 5150]

There is a real shortage in Asia and the Middle East

Is it because they keep crashing on short final?

 

[Area 5150]

The industry wants the MCPL bad.

It'll get buried deep into a bill and appear overnight.

How much does FedEx charge or that?

They have that, "overnight" thing, down to a science!

 

[Autothrust Blue]

That's only 4500 new pilots per year in North America

I don't want to sound like Kit Darby, but when you compare that to the rate of new certificate issuances...

(There might be something true to it, but I'll believe it when I have four stripes, gray hair, an Airbus, and a mustache. )

 

[hook_dupin]

Try to keep up. Some MBA scumbag or another decided that uh Synergies or whatever required that Boeing move to Chicago about a decade ago. I mean, hell, do you know how much NOISE there is when your office is above a freaking hangar!? Liable to scare the Sexretaries away!

I think the McD merger and the disappearance of TWA had something to do with it as well...

 

[drunkenbeagle]

I don't want to sound like Kit Darby, but when you compare that to the rate of new certificate issuances...

The magic number is number of hours of dual given in the US. About 4 million per year. Divided by 1,500 hours = 2,700. That's how many ATP's you can get per year in a perfectly efficient system, where everyone goes to an airline job exactly at 1500 hours. The real number is perhaps slightly higher than that, since 200 of those hours are dual received, not given. But close enough.

Lots of folks instruct longer than that, lots will be career instructors (like me), lots will do 91/135 flying. MCPL is the only way the numbers will work out, so it is inevitable.

 

[Boris Badenov]

MCPL is the only way the numbers will work out, so it is inevitable.

You're leaving out the fun part where planes are crashing in to everything not shielded by the Vertical Protection Act of 2017. You think Dive and Drive is Dangerous? Wait till you get a load of The Good Enough for Government Work Squadron. Emblem: Lucky 7, cause 13 would be pushing it.

 

[mshunter]

While I'm not completely sold on a pilot shortage, the ranks of people who are willing and able are already starting to dry up. There is some serious change on the horizon, that much is true. Just look at how many people are starting training, and how many are finishing. Certificate issues are at an all time low.

As for slipping in an MCPL into the back of some bill? I'm curious how that would happen. An NPRM would have to come out because of due process, right? How would that factor into being able to get around the new ATP rule? I have a feeling the age for retirement will steadily go up over the next few years, beginning when it really starts hitting the fan. And I PRAY that an MCPL is financially unfeasible. We'll end up with a bunch of Asiana crap here in the US.

 

[Boris Badenov]

An NPRM would have to come out because of due process, right?

Wait, you still believe that the US exists under Due Process of Law? That's adorable. There are going to be a LOT of "Emergencies" in the next 10-20 years, my friend. Best get started on being "patriotic" and ignoring them NOW.

 

[mshunter]

Wait, you still believe that the US exists under Due Process of Law? That's adorable. There are going to be a LOT of "Emergencies" in the next 10-20 years, my friend. Best get started on being "patriotic" and ignoring them NOW.

Even with Colgan and the age 65 rule, there was still an NPRM. It can get rushed through, but the MCPL would require a whole new set of rules to be drafted. And that won't happen overnight. Suffice to say, there is a problem on the horizon. It's going to be interesting.

 

[Polar742]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-forecasts-increased-global-demand-143000861.html"

What I get from this is young people need flight training to be more fun/challenging/interesting like a high tech computer game. Of course, they don't want to address the pay and QOL issues of the career, that would cost money. By making flight training "cooler" to the next generation, all our troubles will be solved? Weird....

Great summary!

It will cost a lot to learn, you will be paid very little for a long time, chances are you will take at least one 50%-80% paycut, but you get to move a lot.

And people aren't signing up in droves because of the training?

From the needs, you should probably pick up an Asian language as well.

 

[drunkenbeagle]

As for slipping in an MCPL into the back of some bill? I'm curious how that would happen. An NPRM would have to come out because of due process, right? How would that factor into being able to get around the new ATP rule? I have a feeling the age for retirement will steadily go up over the next few years, beginning when it really starts hitting the fan. And I PRAY that an MCPL is financially unfeasible.

Congress passes law all of the time that later turn out to be ill-conceived. And then quietly pass another law later to fix said problems.

If Congress were to decide MCPL were to be the law of the land, it will be so. NRPM would just allow comment on the details, but it would still happen.

 

[z987k]

The industry wants the MCPL bad.

It'll get buried deep into a bill and appear overnight.

What would that really achieve though? I mean what will having another rating for Multi-crew provide?

 

[mshunter]

What would that really achieve though? I mean what will having another rating for Multi-crew provide?

Obvious answer is obvious. It makes our government look like they are doing something. Duh!

 

[ChasenSFO]

Is there a shortage of pilots over age 23 with 1500 hours and an ATP in America looking for work? No, we know that.

But everyone neglects the bigger numbers in this article, in Asia and Africa they have legit pilot shortages. They have virtualy no GA in most areas, and most countries have small Air Forces that don't produce an excess of pilots willing to fly airliners. These countries are very dependant on European, American, and Austrilian expats, and will be for many years to come. Just sayin'.

 

[z987k]

Obvious answer is obvious. It makes our government look like they are doing something. Duh!

Ya but he said the industry wants it. What does it do for the industry? I can't see it doing anything meaningful.

 

[jmreii]

Is there a shortage of pilots over age 23 with 1500 hours and an ATP in America looking for work? No, we know that.

But everyone neglects the bigger numbers in this article, in Asia and Africa they have legit pilot shortages. They have virtualy no GA in most areas, and most countries have small Air Forces that don't produce an excess of pilots willing to fly airliners. These countries are very dependant on European, American, and Austrilian expats, and will be for many years to come. Just sayin'.

In the US, rules, regulations, liability, politics, and laziness is killing general aviation. Aviation products and services are suffering as well to a point its financially beneficial to sell those businesses and technologies to foreign businesses and companies. This trend resembles what happen to the US auto, electronics, steel, ceramics, and a host of other industries in which the US was a leader at one time. We are a consumer nation producing less each year! I like to call the US economy a hamburger economy because we produce primarily low wage dead end jobs in which thinking isn't required.

 

[Ecl!pse]

I think the McD merger and the disappearance of TWA had something to do with it as well...

Both of those, plus a large tax break from the city of Chicago? Doesn't make for as exciting of a story, though.

 

[RedBaron2000]

Is there a shortage of pilots over age 23 with 1500 hours and an ATP in America looking for work? No, we know that.

But everyone neglects the bigger numbers in this article, in Asia and Africa they have legit pilot shortages. They have virtualy no GA in most areas, and most countries have small Air Forces that don't produce an excess of pilots willing to fly airliners. These countries are very dependant on European, American, and Austrilian expats, and will be for many years to come. Just sayin'.

Despite the shortages in the developing countries, there are still very few job opportunities for expats. Unless you have a type rating with 1000 hours in type, you generally can't get hired. They only want the expats to train the national pilots.

 

[scooter2525]

Despite the shortages in the developing countries, there are still very few job opportunities for expats. Unless you have a type rating with 1000 hours in type, you generally can't get hired. They only want the expats to train the national pilots.

That was my thought. Gimme a 30/30 schedule at $200k and I'll fly that airbus in china.