Big Trouble at IBT 747

Since it seems to be going down this road, the guy in question was part of an Army Engineering unit that worked the front lines with Special Forces clearing areas. He has a couple or three Silver/Bronze Stars and the citations and presented them for viewing at an ALPA Executive Board Meeting. I tracked down his CO at the time, his words to me were explicit:

"This man ALWAYS took the point, every day. Without him, my unit losses would have been 30-50% higher."

He recommended the man for OCS back then and also volunteered to go to the 2006 ALPA BOD in Las Vegas on his own dime and answer any "hero" who wanted to challenge his integrity on the matter. This guys bona fides were no doubt "highly suspect" too: Retired Army Colonel, West Point Grad and Instructor and retired as I recall from the White Sands Missle Range as the Director. Yeah, an obvious lowbrow.

The crime that was so glaring that got the man "fired" was that he put on his job application some 21 years ago that he attended a SF training class. Which he DID. He was foolish enough to let a barroom story started by someone else get out of hand. Something none of us have EVER done.

His DD-214 was also made public by him. So 21 years later, because he had the audacity to step down from DHL Flight Ops management when he wouldn't play the footsie game of making political "contributions" for Dasburg to his cronies that exceeded Federal Campaign limits. When he decided to run for ALPA President, they pulled out his 21 year old job app and fired him for "lying." Which the arbitrator threw out as total BS, reinstated him with full back pay and a clean record.

Stellar career as a pilot, union rep and in management. He settled every open grievance IN THE PILOTS FAVOR. And fired by none other than John Dasburg, that patron saint of airline pilots.

See folks, that's the problem with ALPA. The worker bees are great. But the elected leadership is so enamored with themselves that they go out and publicly flame anyone who does not speak the ALPA "party line" in fear that the truth might come out. They seek out people with little experience, promise them great things and tell them what to say.

How many of us would volunteer to do two tours of duty in Vietnam on the ground ahead of the lines with an M-16?

How many of us did? Yet, we listen to a guy who does and continue to trash a guy who has done more good for pilots that his critic ever has.

Pretty sad.
 
Since it seems to be going down this road, the guy in question was part of an Army Engineering unit that worked the front lines with Special Forces clearing areas. He has a couple or three Silver/Bronze Stars and the citations

That's a big difference from what he claimed repeatedly.

The crime that was so glaring that got the man "fired" was that he put on his job application some 21 years ago that he attended a SF training class. Which he DID. He was foolish enough to let a barroom story started by someone else get out of hand. Something none of us have EVER done.

I'm not going to get into details, but suffice it to say that having seen the arbitration award documentation, you're heavily watering down the true story.

So 21 years later, because he had the audacity to step down from DHL Flight Ops management

"Step down?" Is that how he tells it? :laff:

When he decided to run for ALPA President, they pulled out his 21 year old job app and fired him for "lying." Which the arbitrator threw out as total BS, reinstated him with full back pay and a clean record.

The arbitrator overturned the termination only after ALPA spent huge amounts of money to defend him and save his job. ALPA saved his career. What gratitude he shows for it. :rolleyes:

See folks, that's the problem with ALPA. The worker bees are great. But the elected leadership is so enamored with themselves

You do realize that the guy you're talking about wasn't a "worker bee," right? He was in one of the Association's highest elected leadership positions: Executive Vice-President. So which is it? Are the elected leaders great, or are the worker bees? You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. I'm beginning to suspect that you're actually Brannan himself.

How many of us would volunteer to do two tours of duty in Vietnam on the ground ahead of the lines with an M-16?

And yet he spent years tarnishing that service by lying repeatedly and embellishing his service. What a shame.
 
All I can say is the representation of the Polar/Atlas strike story is incomplete by your account.

I came onboard afterwards and have heard what went down.

RAH, I can tell you that you are going off the reservation on the Polar/Atlas/Bourne road.

Don't buy the marketing....

Oh, the "Airline Division"? It's still a Teamster shop, so you ARE a teamster.
 
PCL_128 said:

You do realize that the guy you're talking about wasn't a "worker bee," right? He was in one of the Association's highest elected leadership positions: Executive Vice-President. So which is it? Are the elected leaders great, or are the worker bees? You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. I'm beginning to suspect that you're actually Brannan himself.

Nah, just a guy who has watched you for awhile and see's you as someone who is a "wannabe." You sound like a guy who sucked up to whomever would get you something and you play their party line and use half truths when they suit you. Like not posting my whole comment about the ALPA staff, the "worker bees." If you had, you'd have posted:

"See folks, that's the problem with ALPA. The worker bees are great. But the elected leadership is so enamored with themselves that they go out and publicly flame anyone who does not speak the ALPA "party line" in fear that the truth might come out. They seek out people with little experience, promise them great things and tell them what to say."

I'm curious about how you have such great inside information about the arbitration award. Did Dan Brannan tell you? Or did you see the Company's copy? I thought those were documents only available to the grievant, company and union.

This is still about a change for the better at 747. You haven't provided anything to show that 747 is worse off without Sowell.
 
Nah, just a guy who has watched you for awhile and see's you as someone who is a "wannabe."

Wannabe? Nah, I'm someone who's actually stepped up to do the work. Have you?

This is still about a change for the better at 747. You haven't provided anything to show that 747 is worse off without Sowell. [/B]

I'm not sure whether it will be worse or better. Getting rid of Sowell was definitely a good thing. I just wish Captain Bourne would have found a better assistant trustee. You won't get anywhere by replacing one bad apple with another.
 
Wannabe? Nah, I'm someone who's actually stepped up to do the work. Have you?

Sure have. In many jobs.

I'm not sure whether it will be worse or better. Getting rid of Sowell was definitely a good thing. I just wish Captain Bourne would have found a better assistant trustee. You won't get anywhere by replacing one bad apple with another.

For a guy with very little experience, you seem to be convinced that he's a bad guy. Yet you offer no proof of anything he did as a pilot, MEC Chairman or EVP that was detrimental for the pilots he represented. All you do is muckrake.

And you didn't answer the question about how you seem to have such specific information about his arbitration. Which means you were either not telling the truth or you were being fed information from someone in ALPA. Which proves my point: anyone who questions ALPA's elected leadership becomes a target for a smear campaign by the national leadership and posted by underlings.

My guess is you made it all up because you never really saw the arbitration, did you?

And you changed your name too!!
 
For a guy with very little experience, you seem to be convinced that he's a bad guy. Yet you offer no proof of anything he did as a pilot, MEC Chairman or EVP that was detrimental for the pilots he represented. All you do is muckrake.

And you didn't answer the question about how you seem to have such specific information about his arbitration. Which means you were either not telling the truth or you were being fed information from someone in ALPA. Which proves my point: anyone who questions ALPA's elected leadership becomes a target for a smear campaign by the national leadership and posted by underlings.

My guess is you made it all up because you never really saw the arbitration, did you?

And you changed your name too!!

You don't work at Atlas, do you?

Will you listen to me? Because we're owned by them, and I have had plenty of occasion to talk to their pilots on 14 hour deadheads together
 
As a regional pilot at the same airline PCL_128 (aka ATN Pilot) was on the MEC for, I'm happy with the ALPA representation we get here. Is it perfect? No, but what union is. A lot of the bluster and frustration come from people who either don't understand the restrictions of the RLA and have unrealistic expectations (ie the union stopping the company CEOs from making insanely stupid business decisions, such as buying auction rate securities with company $$$).
 
I'd also like to see the pictures of this ALPA staffer's tricked out Mustang.


It's not a staffer's. It's a "California Special" Ford Mustang, gunmetal grey as I recall with a black strip. Owned by no less that the First Vice President and paid for with members dues money. It can be viewed in the underground garage at 1625 Massachusetts Avenue in DC or at the Herndon Parkway office in the circle when he's out there.

The Pres has a TownCar and driver at his disposal, but also a Lincoln Navigator, unless it is the VP of Finances. So does the General Manager. Along with mileage and maintenance paid for.

Now ALPA policy DOES call for a "Lincoln Town Car or similar." But holy crap, with members getting furloughed, dues revenue down, demands on the office staff for pay and benefit cuts and airline style management tactics being used on them again, don't you think the leadership should take a page from more enlightened managements and voluntarily take a pay and benefit cut? Want to show unity and solidarity? Man up!

It won't save the world, but it would be the honorable thing to do with so many pilots on unemployment.

Oh...the "staff" cars? Pretty easy to spot. Older and a lot more mileage. They hold on to them because they don't know who the job cutting axe will hit next. Like the 40 that got canned in November and December, who were real pilot friendly and dedicated people.

The latest offer in the staff negotiations for retirement is something that adds something like 8 years of additional service to the current rules to be able to retire at 65 with the pension they've already paid into. Wanna bet those folks will suddenly have "poor job performance ratings" before that happens?
 
For a guy with very little experience, you seem to be convinced that he's a bad guy. Yet you offer no proof of anything he did as a pilot, MEC Chairman or EVP that was detrimental for the pilots he represented. All you do is muckrake.

Ask the pilots he represented at ASTAR. You'll have to ask quite a few before you'll find a single one that has anything good to say about him.

And you didn't answer the question about how you seem to have such specific information about his arbitration. Which means you were either not telling the truth or you were being fed information from someone in ALPA.


You answered your own question in an earlier post. Who has access to grievance information? The company, the system board (arbitrator), and the union. Arbitration info is available across company lines within ALPA, as you know. It's the entire reason that ALPA maintains a grievance database in Herndon: so reps at all ALPA carriers can benefit from grievance settlements and arbitrations that take place at other carriers. It's one of the benefits of a single pilot union for all air line pilots.

My guess is you made it all up because you never really saw the arbitration, did you?

Keep guessing.

And you changed your name too!!
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Yep. With the change from independent union to ALPA here at AirTran, it was time to change the name in recognition of the new ALPA identifier.

You don't work at Atlas, do you?

Actually, I'm pretty sure he does. The "RAH" name is a cover, I believe. His posts are almost identical to a poster on several other forums by an Atlas pilot that used to be Atlas MEC Vice-Chairman.
 
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