Being a pilot is cool.

in Europe it seems to have a bigger "cool factor"/mystique than in the US.

I think people throughout Europe have a greater appreciation for science and technology and this could lead to them also thinking more highly of people who work in a technical field that requires a lot of specialized training, like flying jets.

Not that Americans don't appreciate technology, they do, but it just seems to be in a different way. I think a greater percentage of Europeans would be more curious to know just how something works, while Americans seem to just want to get on Farmville and twitter.

Planespotting is a perfect example. So many airports in Europe you see quite a large row of people lined up against the fence by a runway watching the action. Sure, a bunch of them are regulars, the ones who religiously record every tail number they see in their notebook in some quest to see every airplane on the planet with their own eyes, but there are also families with their kids watching too, and they're not there to write down tail numbers. You can't even do that at a bunch of our airports anymore. How utterly pathetic. Spotting terraces on the rooftops of AMS, NRT, etc...packed with people. The only Americans I've seen at them are at NRT, outside eating because they serve food just inside at that one.

I've wandered from the topic but I these traits that seem more prevalent in people outside the USA lead to the coolness factor of planes and pilots.
 
Planespotting is a perfect example. So many airports in Europe you see quite a large row of people lined up against the fence by a runway watching the action. Sure, a bunch of them are regulars, the ones who religiously record every tail number they see in their notebook in some quest to see every airplane on the planet with their own eyes, but there are also families with their kids watching too, and they're not there to write down tail numbers. You can't even do that at a bunch of our airports anymore. How utterly pathetic. Spotting terraces on the rooftops of AMS, NRT, etc...packed with people. The only Americans I've seen at them are at NRT, outside eating because they serve food just inside at that one.
You'll hate me, but you'll want to talk to the ACLU about how to get planespotting to be not frowned upon in this country.
 
The only Americans I've seen at them are at NRT, outside eating because they serve food just inside at that one.
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When my parents lived in Japan I used to take the train 2+ hours each way just to go take pictures there. Awesome airport to watch planes, 90% heavy jets.

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When my parents lived in Japan I used to take the train 2+ hours each way just to go take pictures there. Awesome airport to watch planes, 90% heavy jets.

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Yeah! Despite the fence which other places don't have, they've at least got the camera holes all over the place to make it easy to get a good shot with the "N A R I T A" shrubbery under some company's 747-400 climbing out.
 
Flying is my job, no more, no less. Do I get enjoyment out of it? Sure, but I'd rather be spending my time/money on hookers and booze.
 
Flying is my job, no more, no less. Do I get enjoyment out of it? Sure, but I'd rather be spending my time/money on hookers and booze.

Ahhh, but you gotta have money for the hookers and booze, unless you're a pimp, then it comes with the territory.
 
Overall it's "cool." What people have to understand is that every flying job is different. I can't speak for freight dogs/part 91 corporate/135 etc. I've seen on this thread about commuting, flying for a regional and other comments. Everyone is different, so what fits your personal goals will be a contrast or an agreement to what fits me, or the next guy. The only thing that I know about this business is that it's a coin flip of what is good and bad.
 
When my parents lived in Japan I used to take the train 2+ hours each way just to go take pictures there. Awesome airport to watch planes, 90% heavy jets.

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One of the few places in the world where my 767 is an RJ (quoting Polar742 on that one, because it's true).

Speaking of which, I've noticed a lot more respect internationally, particularly in the Middle East. But, who cares? You should fly for you, not for how other people look at you. If you're getting off on walking through terminals having people look up to you, you probably suck as a pilot. :)
 
Flying is my job, no more, no less. Do I get enjoyment out of it? Sure, but I'd rather be spending my time/money on hookers and booze.
Yes and no.

It's passe to say "it's just a job." And 9 times out of 10 it is. Today, I had to work, even though I thought I wouldn't have to fly, but the other guy dutied out, and I had to spend the whole day away from home, and my weekend plans got a little skewed because of it; still a warm Dakota day, with smooth air, and a million miles of visibility made for an enjoyable morning. I like to fly, and yes, it is work (which is a four letter word) but ultimately, I fly for a living not only because it puts money in my bank - however little - but also because there's a certain visceral satisfaction that one gets from seeing the things we see, and the mental stimulation we get from operating the airplane. I liken this to being a craftsman, I build a successful and safe flight with my hands and my wits. With the tools of my trade, I hope to make a flight more than just a flight, hopefully, I can imbue a little art into it too. This is just a job - but I still like it, warts and all.

I'd still fly - maybe not full time - but for something to do if I won the lottery and was filthy rich.
 
These kinds of threads are awesome. They always devolve into the "cool factor/mystique" issue. It makes me giggle. I'm glad you like your job. But...the mystique is gone. ATP and other pilot-mills feed on the mystique but can you really say that today? Now, Sully has cool-factor. He had to ditch an Airbus to attain it, but he has it. Other pilots have it. Many do not. Either way - if you are young and reading this:

Do not pick a vocation on how cool you think it is, or the people are. Or whatever "mystique" it had when airlines were flying Connies. In a job, you are selling your time for money. Period. If I could make more money cleaning septic tanks, I would clean septic tanks. If I could make more money running carnival rides, I would run carnival rides. Whether you are a prostitute or the CEO of Goldman, you are selling your time for money. At the end of the day, you make your own mystique.

I doubt it, most people are deeply invested in what they do for a living, and it sculpts them as a person. Doing a job for what other people think of it is idiotic, but I could make more doing lot's of different things, money isn't everything - thought it certainly helps. Hell, I could go to the oil field and make much more money, I've got friends and family hook ups that could make it work, but ultimately, I like what I do, there are days when it sucks, there will be better jobs, irregardless, I love aviation. As much of a bitch as it has been some times, I enjoy it. I fly airplanes for me not for anyone else - cept maybe the bill collectors.
 
One of the few places in the world where my 767 is an RJ (quoting Polar742 on that one, because it's true).

Speaking of which, I've noticed a lot more respect internationally, particularly in the Middle East. But, who cares? You should fly for you, not for how other people look at you. If you're getting off on walking through terminals having people look up to you, you probably suck as a pilot. :)
When I landed in Chihuahua the other day (first time to Mexico), it was the weirdest thing...the station had everyone lined up and ready to receive us, and they were exceedingly polite to us uniformed folks. Was pretty cool.
 
When I landed in Chihuahua the other day (first time to Mexico), it was the weirdest thing...the station had everyone lined up and ready to receive us, and they were exceedingly polite to us uniformed folks. Was pretty cool.

The wookie once suggested that when jumpseating internationally that it's a good idea to wear your uniform. I felt like a weenie, but man was it worth it. Even after explaining that I was only traveling for leisure they told me to go through the crew customs line. People didnt stand in my way, people didn't ask me where the women's restroom is, etc. Was certainly worth it!
 
The wookie once suggested that when jumpseating internationally that it's a good idea to wear your uniform. I felt like a weenie, but man was it worth it. Even after explaining that I was only traveling for leisure they told me to go through the crew customs line. People didnt stand in my way, people didn't ask me where the women's restroom is, etc. Was certainly worth it!
I may just consider asking for (oppose being voluntold) more Mexico.
 
These kinds of threads are awesome. They always devolve into the "cool factor/mystique" issue. It makes me giggle. I'm glad you like your job. But...the mystique is gone. ATP and other pilot-mills feed on the mystique but can you really say that today? Now, Sully has cool-factor. He had to ditch an Airbus to attain it, but he has it. Other pilots have it. Many do not. Either way - if you are young and reading this:

Do not pick a vocation on how cool you think it is, or the people are. Or whatever "mystique" it had when airlines were flying Connies. In a job, you are selling your time for money. Period. If I could make more money cleaning septic tanks, I would clean septic tanks. If I could make more money running carnival rides, I would run carnival rides. Whether you are a prostitute or the CEO of Goldman, you are selling your time for money. At the end of the day, you make your own mystique.
I see things very differently when it comes to being a pilot and making a living flying. There are few things as a kid that people truly dream of doing. Some dream of being in the military, or being a fireman or a doctor or a vet or a pilot, etc., No one sits around and dreams of becoming a banker or an accountant or being a manager at Home Depot, being a plumber, working in an underwear factory or hundreds of other jobs. And this is not to knock any of those vocations or jobs, believe me. Careers change and take many people on different roads, some of them good, some of them not so good. Things do happen by circumstance as well and not everyone gets access to certain opportunities. Everyone understands this.

I never viewed (and still don't) being a pilot as just trading time for money and being just something I would make good money at. Now, back in the day, pilots had a bit better security and did make more money and of course that is something that I did count on somewhat in my decision making, but it truly was not the end all be all for me, nor for any of my friends. But that really isn't the point. If I could have made more money doing anything else, I would not have chosen to do so nor would I, even today. Never. You ask any old fart pilot why he became a pilot and out will come the stories of, my Dad was a pilot and I went to see him at work, he traveled and brought me such and such from so and so, I used to watch planes, I used to build aircraft models, and on and on. For many, and I would say most in all reality, pilots and their true love of flying, their love of planes and all things aviation related is what took them on the path to fly and wanting to be able to make a living doing it. Ask any pilot about his first flight or his first lesson and he can recount every tiny detail of that experience, no mater how many decades ago it was and he will have a gleam in his eye, an excitement in his voice and a smile on his face, while he happily and eagerly recounts it for you.

It's an adventure, you get to travel, it's technical, you are always learning something, you multitask, you meet a lot of people, you have a lot of free time, you have many responsibilities and many people depending on you, you have out of the ordinary non mundane schedules (and when you are off, you really are off and don't have to take any work home with you or even think about your job), you may move several times, and if you fly internationally, you experience different cultures and histories. This may sound weird to some, but aviation is steeped in history and tradition. Who do you see re-building old warbirds and other planes and at airshows and aviation museums. ....a lot of pilots. There is a reason for this. All pilots have a connection that they can feel to pilots and planes of the past. There is no denying this. Flying and aircraft are a passion. Pure and simple.

There are also such a wide variety of flying careers available to someone, that it's almost endless in what you can fly as a plane type, where you can fly geographically in this country or around the world, and the types of flying. That is something you just don't have in most other careers. There is a bond that you feel with other cabin and cockpit crews. This was even stronger in most of my time as you often flew with the same crews. They became a family and dear friends. You get to mentor and train other pilots, either in SIM or in the school house setting and in the cockpit on the job. I always enjoyed that. Sure there are downsides, but what job or career doesn't have any? There are plenty of perks too.

So while I have never seen my job as "cool", for me it has always been special and something which I can take great pride in, garner respect from, excel in, enjoy and have always wanted to do. There are many jobs that do not make you feel this way, nor afford you many opportunities or growth. But you can change companies in aviation, upgrade to bigger and different plane types, go into instructing and much more. You don't have to experience the burnout or the boredom that may come with other occupations. You can still fly and love the hell out of it, need it and desire it, crappy knees and all, even when you are an old fart like me. :smoke: And how many times do I have to mention, that we own the most remarkable views on the planet.
 
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