Aviations Ugly Secret -Racial, religious & sexual discrimination

Re: Aviations Ugly Secret -Racial, religious & sexual discriminat

Shake your head all you want, it's your opinion but all I'm saying is don't hold me by your opinion.

And I don't agree with baby's getting pierced either, I think YOU should be the one to do it; not someone for you.
 
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The lady that got her breast fondeled with should have kicked/punched him in the nuts in self defense. A woman should be respected.
But on the contrary, I wouldn't do anything as to call police, if a qute looking girl rubbed up on me.
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@2nd part. I think it swings both ways. Some people are prejudice against colored skin/race/sex/religion. But the people on this side of the line, that have different skin color, beliefs or religion or sex, sometimes play the race card.
I work in retail, and I live in a community where 56% of the population is white, and so on.
Quite a lot, I get people yelling and arguing with me, and then when they don't get their way they start playing the race card. "Oh, it's because I'm a black/woman/blah blah blah."....
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My sociology teacher is probably the biggest racist I have ever known. All his lectures have a common theme "All the troubles of the world are created by the white folk."
 
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The lady that got her breast fondeled with should have kicked/punched him in the nuts in self defense. A woman should be respected.
But on the contrary, I wouldn't do anything as to call police, if a qute looking girl rubbed up on me.
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@2nd part. I think it swings both ways. Some people are prejudice against colored skin/race/sex/religion. But the people on this side of the line, that have different skin color, beliefs or religion or sex, sometimes play the race card.
I work in retail, and I live in a community where 56% of the population is white, and so on.
Quite a lot, I get people yelling and arguing with me, and then when they don't get their way they start playing the race card. "Oh, it's because I'm a black/woman/blah blah blah."....
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My sociology teacher is probably the biggest racist I have ever known. All his lectures have a common theme "All the troubles of the world are created by the white folk."

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-sigh-

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Where oh where do I begin.....

-Matthew
 
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I am a young, hot, white, yuppie-esque airline pilot. I drive a silver SUV. I wear khakis and polo shirts on my days off. I like country music. I drink foo-foo coffee often.

I have never experienced any sort of racial, sexual, or age discrimination whatsoever.
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Though your post was said in jest I'm sure that your aware as a white male that is why you haven't been to much on the receiving side of any sort of discrimination!

-Matthew
 
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I GOT A STORY!!!!

As an intern, I got the wonderful opportunity to jumpseat. I decided to jumpseat on a 757 that had what seemed a 2 Captain Crew and a Captain jumpseating. All of them were within 8 years or so of retiring. Before they closed the flight deck door the flight attendant asked me if I wanted the empty seat in first class... but I said no because I was psyched to be sitting in the "high chair".
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After 10,000ft, the "FO" started asking me the standard questions: Where I go to school, what I want to do, how many hours I have...etc. The CA is fiddling with his ear piece because he is complaining it's not made right, and the jumpseater is reading his news paper. (Sorry... background stuff)

A little while later the "FO" turns to me and says... " You know... those liberal women really screwed you over.... Yeah... you could be sitting on your but eating bon bons, having kids, living in the 'easy life'. But no... now you all have to have jobs and makes something of yourselves. Yep... those libral women really screwed you over."
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I smiled said I think I would get board and am excited about what I was doing. He nodded.

A few minutes go buy and the "FO" turns me and says "You know what you need to do? Get rid of that flight instructor you are dating and get yourself and OLD man.
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wink wink;) Yeah, he'll take care of you. Get rid of that flight instructor, he can't take care of you... you need an OLD man. You know... I had this girl in New Orleans that a friend hooked me up with, hell I never even knew her name! She was nice... always met me at the airport when I was there... Yeah... get yourself an OLD man!"
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CA and Jumpseat CA are still status quo..

I thought... "Hmm... where is the damn button to open the door? Crap, why did I give up that seat in First Class!!!!
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Talk about an uncomfortable situation... I hid in the lav for a while. It wasn't horrible... just uncomfortable..

Ok children... story time is over
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so would being from an ethnic background such as Filipino/pacific islander prevent me in getting hired by a carieer like AA or any other flag carriers???
 
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so would being from an ethnic background such as Filipino/pacific islander prevent me in getting hired by a carieer like AA or any other flag carriers???

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Yes. Better quit now.

Are you serious?
 
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Tony:
I am from Taipei. My parents still live over there. Now
back to topic.
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adreamer
 
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Tony:
I am from Taipei. My parents still live over there. Now
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adreamer

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seems like this topic has become sort of an eastern/oriental meet and greet....

anyways I agree with Doug its what you make of it and how you deal and react to it. I have been insulted and tesed about my racial and ethnic background in at my own areas in life. For the most part it is meant to be in a harmless and playful way, but at times It can get to you.
 
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And I don't agree with baby's getting pierced either, I think YOU should be the one to do it; not someone for you.

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Well we agree on something! (Skies open, flaming hailstones the size of grapefruit, dogs and cats living together, etc!)
 
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... I have been insulted and tesed about my racial and ethnic background in at my own areas in life...

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So have I....and I'm white. Unfortunately no one is immune to this. It sucks no matter what your color is.
 
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To play devil's advocate on the piercings issue, two things come to mind:

1st - being a pilot puts you in a glass bowl, under the scrutiny of the flying public. Like it or not, facial piercings are not viewed favorably by most of the general public and project a negative image that I can totally understand any airline not wanting to project. If you want to wear them on your own time, fine, but not in uniform. It hurts the image of the airline to a large segment of the general public. And like it or not, that's where the money for your paycheck comes from. This is no different than any of the sales jobs that I've had which didn't allow hair below the collar, facial hair, visible tattoos, or facial piercings. Its not because management thinks poorly of you for having them, its because a customer might, thereby lowering the customer's opinion of the company. Noone, on the other hand, is offended if you're clean cut with short hair.

2nd point, every person I've ever been in contact with that had facial piercings shared the same desire to be unique, different, an individual (ironic to me that they conform to the same method to do so thereby forming their own conformist subgroup, but I digress). This desire and personality type also shares a decided disdain for authority, which is expressed in their outward sign of going against the grain. This anti-authority attitude is one that is expressly designated as potentially dangerous by the FAA. Further, it is often feared by those in HR that such individuals will be difficult to work with, letting their anti-establishment attitude cause them to challenge every decision made by management and their direct superiors.

Please note, while I do not agree with all of these assumptions, that is the perception that you are portraying to a large portion of the public with your facial piercings. You can argue why these perceptions are incorrect and may or may not be right, but that won't change the perceptions. So if you insist on wearing the piercings to an interview or to work after the interview, be prepared for some to view you that way. You're not a victim, you've made the decision to move forward knowing full well the consequences.

Personally, I don't understand the need for them. I don't need a piece of metal in my eyebrow to be unique/intelligent/different. Just as has been said that piercings don't make you evil, etc, I say they don't make you anything. Being unique comes from within and doesn't require some metal badge of honor through your lip or eyebrow. All that metal says is, "I don't care what other people think about me." And if that's really how you feel, then don't cry victim when someone who wants people who DO care about the opinions of others as employees, chooses not to hire you because of the metal statement protruding from your face.

That's my opinion. And you know what they say about opinions, they're like butts, everybody's got 'em, and some of 'em stink!
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Peace,
Heath
 
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Unfortunately, a large majority of this country is prejudice; against, immigrants, gays, arabs . . .

About the republican issue; I would never vote for any party who limits the rights of Americans (as propossing a gay marriage ban). This is taking a step back rather than a step forward. As long as people in power have some sort of prejudice, the dumbasses who follow them will too. Also, those old white republicans would never view an arab, or a homosexual as their equal; and I can't support that kind of party.

All we can do is try and educated our children with open minds and hope for the best.
 
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so would being from an ethnic background such as Filipino/pacific islander prevent me in getting hired by a carieer like AA or any other flag carriers???

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Of course not, what kind of question is this!
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Heath, you raise some very valid and interesting points. Most of the general public does hold a negative stereotype based on a person's appearance. By insisting that employees be clean cut, employers are just reemphasizing that stereotype of judging people by how they look rather than their charecter. As a group, people with facial piercings have no more assh*les who rebel against authority than the general public does, yet that stereotype is generally uniformly applied to everyone in that group. This stereotype is one that needs to be confronted and broken.

It's interesting because most people get freaked out by people who have their eyebrow or lip pierced, yet many women have small nose piercings (at least around here it's the "in" thing) and no one makes assumptions about them. I wonder what it is that makes their piercing more acceptable than mine.

I knowingly chose to pierce my eyebrow, mainly because I thought it looked cool, and once I had it done I realized it compliments my face very nicely, and I really like it. I do not think that I should be judged on my appearance even though I realize it is happening. That is why I am choosing to keep my piercing in despite complaints from other employees, because I want to confront this stereotype and make them realize that not all people who have piercings are rebels, anti-authority, or disrespectful.
 
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oh also, in regard to piercing babies' ears - I think it is a fairly common practice in mexican culture to pierce a baby girl's ears when she is 3 months old.
 
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.......walking the fine line of arguepolitics.com.....
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it's amusing to see how many people put down other culture's ritualistic customs that they do to infants, yet they vigorously defend their own.
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Nope cause aviation is in the title of this thread. An everyone knows that the word aviation is not to mentioned over there.

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-Matthew
 
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it's amusing to see how many people put down other culture's ritualistic customs that they do to infants, yet they vigorously defend their own.
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I concur.
 
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