Aviations Ugly Secret -Racial, religious & sexual discrimination

rebel - to resist or rise against some authority, control or tradition.

So, ShortOne - you are showing the people in your office that you are a rebel - - so you are defeating the purpose you are trying to achieve! And mostly, companies want a team player. Unless, of course, you own your own business, then you can do what you want!

Being probably twice your age, I look at things differently, I can't imagine having a hole somewhere on my face that seemed cool at the time but years down the road won't go away!! And maybe just get larger, too! Clothes are one thing, but face piercings are another!
 
Seriously this is a dumb conversation. I always thought airlines hired the most qualified pilots, because in a sticky situation in the air it really doesn't matter what race you are now does it?
 
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Seriously this is a dumb conversation. I always thought airlines hired the most qualified pilots, because in a sticky situation in the air it really doesn't matter what race you are now does it?

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Well, seeing how there's no real way to tell who is the "most qualified" person for ANY job, you're going to have personal prejudices enter into things. I will readily tell you that the highest GPA person wasn't necessarily the person who got the job when I was hiring people. Know why? Because I personally thought I couldn't stand to work with that person for eight hours a day, five days a week.

And some of the folks I decided to send rejection letters to were very qualified and yes, I said no to them for what could be considered trivial reasons.

One guy was very intelligent, very qualified, but you know what he did? He showed up for his interview in a short sleeve dress shirt with pit stains and a tie that had some stains on it. And he just couldn't express himself well.

You may think these are trivial reasons to reject someone, but I figured this. If he didn't care enough to take the time to put himself together when he needed to make a good impression, what was he going to be like when I needed him to do a report and send it to the execs? Could I ever trust him to do that?

And if I wasn't around, and someone asked questions about the research, could I trust him to explain it to them?

I said no, and hired someone else who had a lower GPA but was just much more together and who I could see myself spending eight hours a day five days a week with.
 
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A few things.

Heath you bring up good points and valid ones at that. You are very right in that an airline has to cater to who it's customers are. I think both me and Emily are well aware of that (which again is why my piercings came out so fast so I don't have a scar left), but that's not the real point we're trying to drive home though; it's that the sterotype is wrong. I personally got my piercings because I think they look good, nto because I want to be special and revel against whatever. It's a stylitic issue instead of an anti-authority one. I can do the anti-authority one in many other more effective ways, like going to protests (which I do).

Cargopusher, why would you ever want a hole in your ear? It's only 2 inches away from you eyebrow! But as Emily said, people are very quick to defend their own cultural practices while slamming others. Furthermore, holes don't get bigger on surface piercings that go on your face; they close up REAL fast. I couldn't get anything back through the one from my lebret within about 2 hours of taking it out, and now you can't see anything was there.
 
Well it's good to hear that kind of piercing will close up -I had my ears pierced at 16, 'cause all my friends were doing it - and now they're permanent - - but in the workplace, I have to wear very conservative earings - my point was that as others have mentioned - perception - I'm the same person in a bathrobe and slippers but I wouldn't wear it to work- in corporate America, anything other than the 'norm' can be a distraction to the general public (which includes co-workers in a general business setting) I'm not bashing Emily -just wanted to point out that many times our perception of ourselves is not the perception of others - I think Emily's eyebrow piercing is cute- in a social setting- but in an office, it's not appropriate to her co-workers evidently- in my younger days I would think they should 'get used to it' -but I think differently now
 
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As I get older I realize that, as much as I may disagree with it, "perception is reality".
 
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I just hope that I can keep fighting the man as I get older
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Speaking of 'fighting the man', I've got a "spitfire trucks" shirt on and some holey shorts. While at the grocery store all of the kids looked a little angry about this old guy wearing one of their icons.

Whateva!
 
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I just hope that I can keep fighting the man as I get older
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Ha ha you'll do it until some puke younger than you starts calling you "the man."
 
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Seriously this is a dumb conversation. I always thought airlines hired the most qualified pilots, because in a sticky situation in the air it really doesn't matter what race you are now does it?

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Dude, where have you been? You must be very NAIVE. I wish it was like this in everday life. Its just not the case. Maybe the next generation can make things better?
 
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Seriously this is a dumb conversation. I always thought airlines hired the most qualified pilots, because in a sticky situation in the air it really doesn't matter what race you are now does it?

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Dude, where have you been? You must be very NAIVE. I wish it was like this in everday life. Its just not the case. Maybe the next generation can make things better?

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Ummm, no...why doesn't this generation make it better?
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Heath, you raise some very valid and interesting points. Most of the general public does hold a negative stereotype based on a person's appearance. By insisting that employees be clean cut, employers are just reemphasizing that stereotype of judging people by how they look rather than their charecter. As a group, people with facial piercings have no more assh*les who rebel against authority than the general public does, yet that stereotype is generally uniformly applied to everyone in that group. This stereotype is one that needs to be confronted and broken.

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That is why I am choosing to keep my piercing in despite complaints from other employees, because I want to confront this stereotype and make them realize that not all people who have piercings are rebels, anti-authority, or disrespectful.

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LOL, do you not see that you're trying to prove that not all people with facial piercings are anti-authority by BEING anti-authority and refusing to stop wearing them despite complaints from higher-ups in your organization that have made this known to you through the chain of command?!!!

Precisely my point...

Ah, to be young and idealistic again!
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A few things.

Heath you bring up good points and valid ones at that. You are very right in that an airline has to cater to who it's customers are. I think both me and Emily are well aware of that (which again is why my piercings came out so fast so I don't have a scar left), but that's not the real point we're trying to drive home though; it's that the sterotype is wrong. I personally got my piercings because I think they look good, nto because I want to be special and revel against whatever. It's a stylitic issue instead of an anti-authority one. I can do the anti-authority one in many other more effective ways, like going to protests (which I do).

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First you tell me that having piercings doesn't make you "anti-authority" and the stereo-type is wrong. Then you tell me that you can do voice your anti-authority needs by going to protests and stuff instead of wearing a piercing.

Do you see the irony of your and Emily's posts?
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Let's see two posters with piercings, both with anti-authority leanings. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case!
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No actually I don't. I said, very simply, that my piercings are not anti-authority; my going to protests and whatnot are. That would mean that...

A. My piercings are not associated with anti-authority with me
B. My going to protests are associated with being anti-authority.

I am challening the system at protests, not with my piercings. That would mean that under the term anti-authority would rest protests, and not piercings. Or more simply.

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Me being anti-authority
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As you can see in fairly plain ASCII text, I seperate the two out fairly plainly, which I stated in my post but you seem only want to read what you want to read instead of what I'm saying.

Not trying to be too much of an a$$, I just don't care for having words put in my mouth. I don't like to mince words, which is exactly what you're doing. I said exactly what I mean and I'm very exacting in what I'm saying so that you don't get confused and reply with "but piercings are anti-authority." Again, protesting is anti-authority, piercings have to do with style. I will continue to assert that fact as much as I can, and won't let people like you dictate my words for me.
 
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LOL and you accuse ME of "forum dancing."
 
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I don't know if this fuels the fire or not (hopefully NOT) but the picture of John is from Halloween. He normally looks like the fresh-faced polite kid down at the friendly neighborhood Blockbuster.
 
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Shhh Doug! I can't let them find out my secret that there are tons of people like me that look normal on the outside but are really working to destroy the system that holds us down
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D'oh!

You mean like my genteel polite "Carlton Banks" outer shell?
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John, you can't rage against the machine. You are the machine, dude. College educated white guy!
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