Authorities search for missing singer in Mexico after plane crash

That thing looks like it went in fully stalled, pancaking. And DOB of pilot, 1934? Another one past TBO????
 
So whats next? Age 75 rule or age restrictions for all commercial operations? Maybe I should start a poll...
 
Is that a VFR only limitation on the lear rating? Did not know you could even get that......
 
A Life Aloft said:
Considering that a photo taken by one of the pax of her and her group was taken while in flight and sent out on the internet not long before the crash, her mangled driver's license was found at the scene and she has not surfaced at another location, I think it can be said that sadly, she's gone.

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I take it that this is the picture the pax took before the crash because it is not of a Learjet. No boots on the tail of a Lear and a Lear has a T-tail.
 
Corporate Pilot said:
I take it that this is the picture the pax took before the crash because it is not of a Learjet. No boots on the tail of a Lear and a Lear has a T-tail.
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No the pix the pax took of them was taken inside the plane and was posted just before the crash on the person's Instagram account with a message and is plastered all over the internet. Apparently Jacob was her make-up artist. "Jacob Yebale commented on the picture he posted, “We getting Back To Mexico City…..jenni Rivera, Arturo, Gigi, and Me...Los Amooo!” :

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The photo of the plane came off a news website in Mexico that I thought was reporting on the crash, but then I don't speak Spanish and was rushing a bit. If that photo is incorrect, my bad. I screwed up. I shouldn't have rushed to find a photo when I was otherwise busy.
 
62 miles out even a bitchjet would be well above any terrain in that area. I'd think a Lear 20-series would be in the 20s, maybe the 30s.
 
Boris Badenov said:
62 miles out even a bitchjet would be well above any terrain in that area. I'd think a Lear 20-series would be in the 20s, maybe the 30s.
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Yeah if I remember right you can easily get an initial climb rate of up to 10,000-14,000fpm out of a straight jet 25. But if they got held down low by controllers and thought they were on a different airway or some thing.....smack. Even in the 45 we can go sea level to fl450 in about 20-25 mins, depending on weight and temps.
 
A Life Aloft said:
Having never flown a Lear, what would be the "normal" flight level 10 minutes after take-off and 62 miles out in such an area considering their destination? (From Monterey to Toulca near Mexcio City- which is 446.37 miles from what I can determine) Some of the terrain in that area (of the crash) is 10k to 12k it appears.
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You can be through 18k in a couple of minutes. I bet a 25 could easily do 3,000fpm. The LRJET type with a VFR only limitation makes no sense. He wouldn't be able to fly above 18k...
 
Inverted said:
You can be through 18k in a couple of minutes. I bet a 25 could easily do 3,000fpm. The LRJET type with a VFR only limitation makes no sense. He wouldn't be able to fly above 18k...
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Thanks, that is what is puzzling about this. Well several things have me puzzled at this point. It's difficult to ascertain at this point what his actual altitude may have been when they crashed. It's being reported that ATC lost contact at 11k and 62 miles into the flight. (if that is correct at this point) So who knows. Another report is saying they impacted terrain which was about 9k. Again, who knows yet.

Also, I got these photos from a more reliable source this time. (sorry for the first botch up) Not much to see though. Looks pretty awful.

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A Life Aloft said:
FAA registry says it's owned by an LLC in Vegas. They seem to have a number of aircraft registered to them.
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This site is claiming a rapid descent from fl350 to 9,000ft and they were just 62 miles from Monterrey airport. Now this is they only source I've found that mentions the rapid descent, but if correct, definitely changes things. The LR25 will descend as impressively as it climbs, it'll easily do 1:1 or more all day. As in 1 mile for every thousand feet of altitude, 40 miles out at fl400 and it'll make the airport.

http://www.enstarz.com/articles/10317/20121210/jenni-rivera-plane-crash-details-begin-surface.htm
 
Is anything legit in Mexico these days that isnt tied to drugs somehow? So its possible this Lear was a POS with a phony MX cert?
 
Italianaviator said:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/11/us/mexico-plane-ownership/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Seems like there is more news coming out from this crash. 2 airplanes were confiscated due to drugs earlier from this company and also they were linked to individuals falsifying airplane records to sell airplanes at higher values.
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I once gave a lesson to the reporter in this video report: http://cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2012/12/10/tsr-pkg-dunnan-rivera-plane-crash.cnn

Her boyfriend/ fiancee/ husband or something also flew and she though she would try out a lesson or two.
 
Guy I fly with typed and flies 25-35 he thinks pressurization was the cause.

What I DO know is several Mexican police were arrested for stealing from the crash site. That is wrong on so many levels.
 
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