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[BEEF SUPREME]

@BEEF SUPREME I hope you did your survey and told them you want to limit CP callbacks on sick calls

I did do the survey but I feel my voice is so limited I'm trying to keep it to one primary issue: red eye pay override with a secondary issue of keeping the HAL contract provisions where pilots can voluntarily fly all 18 reserve days in a row.

 

[///AMG]

I did do the survey but I feel my voice is so limited I'm trying to keep it to one primary issue: red eye pay override with a secondary issue of keeping the HAL contract provisions where pilots can voluntarily fly all 18 reserve days in a row.

I can get behind both of those ideas. I'll say I'm on a text chat with a bunch of former Navy/Marine guys who are AS or HAL, and the consensus amongst the HAL guys after we gave them a copy of our 2022 contract, was very much that their contract is weak. Which surprised me, having heard everything on here. I'm sure some of it is just where they happen to be, vs where others are, base/metal/seniority/all that kinda stuff. But all those guys, wanted to hold onto like a couple key things (such as what you outline) but generally wanted the improvements in our contract that we got during the last round.

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

I can get behind both of those ideas. I'll say I'm on a text chat with a bunch of former Navy/Marine guys who are AS or HAL, and the consensus amongst the HAL guys after we gave them a copy of our 2022 contract, was very much that their contract is weak. Which surprised me, having heard everything on here. I'm sure some of it is just where they happen to be, vs where others are, base/metal/seniority/all that kinda stuff. But all those guys, wanted to hold onto like a couple key things (such as what you outline) but generally wanted the improvements in our contract that we got during the last round.

Keep talking to you friends at other airlines. It's far more valuable than the discourse here. Just the belief that we are the only airline that can pick up work on days of is so misplaced it's mind blowing. Speaking with another former SKW guy yesterday he was telling me all about the 3 different kinds of reserve and how he can pick up extra reserve on days off at UAL. Same with a friend at SWA.

<<mod edit - you can post the part I deleted in the Alaska thread we built for you>>

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Keep talking to you friends at other airlines. It's far more valuable than the discourse here. Just the belief that we are the only airline that can pick up work on days of is so misplaced it's mind blowing. Speaking with another former SKW guy yesterday he was telling me all about the 3 different kinds of reserve and how he can pick up extra reserve on days off at UAL. Same with a friend at SWA.

<<mod edit - you can post the part I deleted in the Alaska thread we built for you>>

Good ideas aren't always homegrown.

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

Good ideas aren't always homegrown.

I'll let you know when my MEC responds to my feedback with something other than a lecture about the lost decade. I actually had to remind the last person I spoke with about losing our 5 contractual days off that I was 46 and had suffered through the last 20 years in some of the worst conditions imaginable.

So far I feel completely ignored. I've resigned from my volunteer positions.

 

[derg]

What does a Dr note even look like? "///AMG is sick. Sincerely, Dr XYZ"? I've never needed to present a doctors note in my life. Seems almost made up......like something they once did when people still moved around on wagon trains, but no longer do.

Nor have I.

I do know in some circumstances, the company can request certain things, but I haven’t been required to produce or even discuss my sick leave usage for 27+ years.

I know there are other people who have been hassled, but I just hear the social media side of it, “The company DEMANDED I produce a sick note” with no other underlying information about potentially *why*.

 

[averettpilot]

Nor have I.

I do know in some circumstances, the company can request certain things, but I haven’t been required to produce or even discuss my sick leave usage for 27+ years.

I know there are other people who have been hassled, but I just hear the social media side of it, “The company DEMANDED I produce a sick note” with no other underlying information about potentially *why*.

Come to think of it, I don’t think I’ve been ASKED to produce one until I got to this regional. I’ve gotten them before as a CYA, but these people ask.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

@BEEF SUPREME

I just checked for you as of 303 pm west coast today Sunday.


Move your Dec 27 day NOW!

Now NOW! @BEEF SUPREME

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

@BEEF SUPREME

I just checked for you as of 303 pm west coast today Sunday.


Move your Dec 27 day NOW!

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Now NOW! @BEEF SUPREME

Thanks for trying to help but:

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Thanks for trying to help but:


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Oh man, sorry. You’re right. Try at 4pm on the 11th.

Theoretically, no one should be able to swap or drop either for the 27th until then.

4pm Seattle time on Dec 11

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

Oh man, sorry. You’re right. Try at 4pm on the 11th.

Theoretically, no one should be able to swap or drop either for the 27th until then.

4pm Seattle time on Dec 11

Sigh... OK I'll try.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

How about just for kicks, do a manual trip inquiry as “other” and say staffing looks good for Dec 27, please move reserve day to (insert another date). See what they say. Worse case they deny, best case it goes through.


This whole 10 day rule is suppose to be for lineholders to lock in their block time and FDP stuff while PBS awards January. Reserves should be irrelevant. IMO, try anyway.

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

How about just for kicks, do a manual trip inquiry as “other” and say staffing looks good for Dec 27, please move reserve day to (insert another date). See what they say. Worse case they deny, best case it goes through.


This whole 10 day rule is suppose to be for lineholders to lock in their block time and FDP stuff while PBS awards January. Reserves should be irrelevant. IMO, try anyway.

They haven't gotten to it yet.

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

How about just for kicks, do a manual trip inquiry as “other” and say staffing looks good for Dec 27, please move reserve day to (insert another date). See what they say. Worse case they deny, best case it goes through.


This whole 10 day rule is suppose to be for lineholders to lock in their block time and FDP stuff while PBS awards January. Reserves should be irrelevant. IMO, try anyway.

Denied.

Contract is the contract

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Ah I see, worth a shot. I’ll keep that in mind for reserves too.

4pm on 11th should do it. In crewaccess

 

[word302]

How about just for kicks, do a manual trip inquiry as “other” and say staffing looks good for Dec 27, please move reserve day to (insert another date). See what they say. Worse case they deny, best case it goes through.


This whole 10 day rule is suppose to be for lineholders to lock in their block time and FDP stuff while PBS awards January. Reserves should be irrelevant. IMO, try anyway.

Reserves aren’t irrelevant because they could create an illegal work block (>6 or <2 days) if they weren’t locked out.

 

[bimmerphile]

I'll let you know when my MEC responds to my feedback with something other than a lecture about the lost decade. I actually had to remind the last person I spoke with about losing our 5 contractual days off that I was 46 and had suffered through the last 20 years in some of the worst conditions imaginable.

So far I feel completely ignored. I've resigned from my volunteer positions.

floor a resolution at your council meeting?

 

[jtrain609]

Come to think of it, I don’t think I’ve been ASKED to produce one until I got to this regional. I’ve gotten them before as a CYA, but these people ask.

If you're sick over and over in a short period of time, apply for intermittent FMLA. Your employer won't be able to discipline you for absences under an FMLA claim.

I don't know if this was mentioned in this thread already, but it's pretty much the easiest solution to getting the chiefs off your back when you're sick all the time because of kids. At one point, before my youngest got her tonsils out, she had strep throat every 8 weeks like clockwork.

Which means I had strep throat every 8 weeks like clockwork.

A little bit of paperwork and all those problems go away.

 

[Screaming_Emu]

Ok finally an update on why I started the thread in the first place. Thanks for all the responses.

I’ll keep it short. Essentially I was investigated for my point total which was the result of the worst cold season I’ve ever had. Son started his first full time year of preschool and I went from never flying airlines to always flying airlines. My total exceeded their threshold for “probable separation.” I thought it would be pretty straight forward since they were supposedly looking for abusers, and I was not one and could prove it with doctors records/notes for every single absence. It resulted in a “verbal warning”.

I appealed if for no other reason than to get them to tell me exactly what they were warning me of. The letter said they were warning me for my point total which I thought was adequately explained.

In the end, the result of the appeal was they removed the verbal warning (pretty much my only request), but I’m still left confused and quite frankly angry at this system they have in place. My view is it impacts safety related decisions we have to make concerning fitness for duty. I’ve used a couple different avenues to try and convey this to the company, but it seems their position won’t change.

Anyway, I’m actually pretty disappointed to find this kind of stuff at a 121. I expect it in 91/135 which is a large reason why I left. I guess regionals are just a half rung above 135.

Long story short, it just confirms that my original half thought of maybe staying here as a viable option isn’t based in reality, and the only option is to move on to bigger and better at some point.

Thanks again for the comments.

Went through that regularly at my regional and it’s such a pain. By all means, crucify the abusers but leave the rest of us alone. I’ve never been sick more often in my life than my first few years at my regional. Terrible hours, disgusting people, and not making enough money to live a healthy lifestyle, people are gonna get sick.

 

[derg]

Come to think of it, I don’t think I’ve been ASKED to produce one until I got to this regional. I’ve gotten them before as a CYA, but these people ask.

I’m not even sure how to ask. Sounds weird.

But then the purpose is to serve as a disincentive for sick leave abuse, so many we should tar and feather our colleagues who use that and fatigue calls strategically for schedule improvement.