ATP requirement question??

This is what the regs say. It's possible of course that the intent of the author was different but that does not matter until the regs change or FAA opinion letter is issued. I would discuss it with the DPE ahead of time to make sure his interpretation of the FAR is the same.
 
badtransam97 said:
Idk..way it LOOKS to me is that if you meet 61.159(a)(3) which I do, via private MEL, and I meet the other hour req's of 61.159 via counting rotorwing and CSEL, then I technically qualify...because 61.153(d)(1) just states commercial pilot cert with instrument rating, no mention of single, multi etc..
Like I said, not trying to argue or make things complicated, but if I don't have to pay a CMEL checkride fee then I'm not going to.
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I agree with the not paying if no need but I would also hate to pay for a check ride that was invalid for not eligiblity issues. The regulations are so confusing sometimes and I'm in them daily.
61.153 references category and class for the rating sought.
 
I say you can go straight to ATP multi. But I also know this is one of those sticky buttons that the DPE must sign off on, so he has the final word. Ask him.
 
badtransam97 said:
Called 3 different ones yesterday..
1- said he didn't know, to call a DPE, they were more versed on that type of reg.
2- said no way, need a multi comm
3- said he couldn't see where it stated a multi comm was needed,
But thought it was. Couldn't quote a specific reg though.
I'm not trying to be complicated, but I also don't want to spend the $400 or so bucks to get a checkride for the multi comm if I don't need it to get the ATP multi
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All three reasons, especially number one, is why you shouldn't ever trust a FSDO.
 
nosehair said:
I say you can go straight to ATP multi. But I also know this is one of those sticky buttons that the DPE must sign off on, so he has the final word. Ask him.
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I've seen Airman Records kick back files as not eligible so I guess they have the final word.
 
tbstanto said:
You MUST have a commercial single before an ATP single, and MUST have a commercial multi before an ATP multi.

I know several people that have an ATP Multi but not a single engine commercial. They did their commercial multi as their initial commercial, and therefor can not get a single engine ATP. Personally, I have both commercials, but only a multi ATP.
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Who wastes the time needed to get an ATP single?
 
I took my ATP ASEL add on with an ASI during EBC in a G1000 172 with autopilot, 2.3 hours total flight with 1.9 under the hood with autopilot on.

I didn't say a word because I knew if I did autopilot was coming off.

Geez

It's not a totally worthless rating and not a great one but I'm glad I did it.
 
Ok, got interpretation from FAA Oak City today if anyone cares. The inspector referred to 61.153(d)(1) and said that it is NOT class specific. So, one can apply for an ATP multi, by just holding a CSEL, if all other experience req are met.
 
badtransam97 said:
Ok, got interpretation from FAA Oak City today if anyone cares. The inspector referred to 61.153(d)(1) and said that it is NOT class specific. So, one can apply for an ATP multi, by just holding a CSEL, if all other experience req are met.
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Just out of curiosity who did you talk to at OKC?
 
Her name was Julie, examiner number 56. I made sure to get her info in case I ran into some problems I would have some sort of "leg to stand on".
 
badtransam97 said:
Her name was Julie, examiner number 56. I made sure to get her info in case I ran into some problems I would have some sort of "leg to stand on".
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New inspector but also a former new DPE.

61.153(a)(1) drives you to 61.159.
I see it as category and class.

To have a leg to stand on contact the legal department though.
That's where the official answer will come from.
 
I meet all requirements of 61.159? I have all the hours, including the multi engine time via Private multi engine land. I see nowhere in 61.159 it states it must be 50hrs VIA a CMEL, just 50hrs in class of airplane being sought. I may be overlooking it??
If you have a contact number of someone I could talk to as a final authority, I'd greatly appreciate it. As stated before, I am not keen on spending money on a CMEL checkride when can go straight to ATP multi.
 
Ok thanks for the links. I may be stupid, but all I see regarding class, is that one must have 50hrs in the class of aircraft for which the rating is sought(which I meet). Class, being, as you said ASEL or AMEL, nothing about that being achieved by holding PPL or CPL. The only reference to CPL, is under 61.153(d)(1) which says only that one must hold a Commercial pilot certificate with instrument rating issued under this part (61).
I will give legal a call, I have all day to pester them since I am down for wx at the base today haha!
 
I just talked to a friend of mine at Airman Testing in OKC and now I've got him confused to.
My problem is I can see both sides of the issue which just makes it tougher to get a clear picture in my head.

When you get an answer from legal please post it.

Now let's take bets on whether they will give an answer in a timely manner.
 
badtransam97 said:
Ok thanks for the links. I may be stupid, but all I see regarding class, is that one must have 50hrs in the class of aircraft for which the rating is sought(which I meet). Class, being, as you said ASEL or AMEL, nothing about that being achieved by holding PPL or CPL. The only reference to CPL, is under 61.153(d)(1) which says only that one must hold a Commercial pilot certificate with instrument rating issued under this part (61).
I will give legal a call, I have all day to pester them since I am down for wx at the base today haha!
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Nope you are not stupid, just want to get it right and not waste money.
On top of all of this you have the new requirements for ATP training.
I'm glad I have mine already.
 
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