ATP Price Increase June 1
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PilotGuy37
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Does anyone have any other info on this CRJ training? What all it consist of? Do you really get anything out of it such as a type? I just can't see what the point is.
BushPilot
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This really ticks me off. I think this opens me up to looking at other schools again. Why the hell do they think someone with 300 hrs needs to know how to fly an RJ? What are the chances you actually end up flying a CRJ anyways?
I hope the owners of ATP read this.
Goes to show you that the people behind the desk don't always know what is going on then as they told me incorrect information just a few days ago.
Damn! Relly upset!
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Hey Timbuff, I agree with you. I'm going to be really pissed if I fly through the interview at the end of this month, give them my $1,000.00 deposit, but can't start until after 8/1. If I give them the deposit before the price increase, why can't I give them a start date within the next six months but still lock in the current price?
What's the incentive for someone to give them any money at all before 6/1, if they can't start before 8/1? It sounds like a load of B.S. to me. Might as well until after 8/1 if they are going to hammer you with price increase anyway.
This really ticks me off. I think this opens me up to looking at other schools again. Why the hell do they think someone with 300 hrs needs to know how to fly an RJ? What are the chances you actually end up flying a CRJ anyways?
I hope the owners of ATP read this.
Goes to show you that the people behind the desk don't always know what is going on then as they told me incorrect information just a few days ago.
Damn! Relly upset!
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Hey Timbuff, I agree with you. I'm going to be really pissed if I fly through the interview at the end of this month, give them my $1,000.00 deposit, but can't start until after 8/1. If I give them the deposit before the price increase, why can't I give them a start date within the next six months but still lock in the current price?
What's the incentive for someone to give them any money at all before 6/1, if they can't start before 8/1? It sounds like a load of B.S. to me. Might as well until after 8/1 if they are going to hammer you with price increase anyway.
montanapilot
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whats the freakin deal with all these price increases! it was just a few months ago and it was only 32,995 now its up to 35K and they are gonna raise it again?
plus this CRJ thing???
if ATP management is reading this , You guys are getting freakin outrageous with these price increases, I mean 40K give me a break.
I m definatly gonna give Skymates a better lookin over after this.
if ATP management is reading this , You guys are getting freakin outrageous with these price increases, I mean 40K give me a break.
I m definatly gonna give Skymates a better lookin over after this.
Timbuff10
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I'm not quite sure if I follow you but I think everyone knew that a price increse was in the works. A huge part of the cost of the program is the fuel and with the fuel prices the way they are I was sure a price hike was coming. I just thought it would be in the range of $1000-2000. The $5 grand is a bit steep especially when it makes you do the CRJ thing which I don't think I want to do at that point.
I called ATP today and asked about it. Apparently it is not all set in stone yet and there will be more information coming on the CRJ thing. I will find out more tomorrow hopefully.
I called ATP today and asked about it. Apparently it is not all set in stone yet and there will be more information coming on the CRJ thing. I will find out more tomorrow hopefully.
Timbuff10
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Well, thats part of it. No one knows what it entails yet. The guy I talked to today (John in Jax) didn't know a whole lot about it as it is so new but said he would get more info for me in the next couple days.
I do know, it's not a Type rating. It is supposed to be a full motion sim and a great tool for instructors looking to get hired.
I will post some more when I get the info and hopefully I will like this CRJ thing?
I do know, it's not a Type rating. It is supposed to be a full motion sim and a great tool for instructors looking to get hired.
I will post some more when I get the info and hopefully I will like this CRJ thing?
BobDDuck
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I spoke with Jim yesterday about setting up an interview to apply to the ACPP. He spoke briefly about the CRJ. From what I understood, if you SIGN UP (not class start date) before June 1st, the CRJ is an OPTIONAL add on. Anyone who signs up after that point will do it as part of the ACPP. The price goes to 39k. As to what it is... a one week class that nets you 20 hours in a (I think) class d sim. Although it could be a FTD for all I know. He also said that they would NOT reccomend doing the CRJ add on right away (during the 3 months of the ACPP). I don't know if it is an option for people AFTER June 1st, but for people signing up BEFORE who have the option of doing it, he said you have 12 months in which to complete it (from your start date I think). They reccomend waiting a bit until you have built a fair number of hours and are about ready to start sending out resumes. Then take the CRJ class. This way it is at the top of your resume and if/when you get an interview, the CRJ material is fresh in your mind. I hope someone can clarify this a little better because I KNOW I've left some holes.
Ethan
Ethan
Timbuff10
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Now THAT sounds like a better deal there. Sounds like a good resume' builder once you have the hours. Maybe its not such a bad idea afterall.
I think the whole problem was that partial info got out too soon but this is starting to make more sense.
I don't know much about flight simulators.... What is a class D sim and what does FTD stand for? Full motion Training Device?
Tim
I think the whole problem was that partial info got out too soon but this is starting to make more sense.
I don't know much about flight simulators.... What is a class D sim and what does FTD stand for? Full motion Training Device?
Tim
Captain_Bob
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Hey there,
Hope this helps... The links are to WordDocs on the FAA website. Simulator Level Requirements and Flight Training Device (FTD) Requirements
If you'd like to access the page directly click here... FAA Simulator Facts
Other than that... the basic answer is that LEVEL "A,B,C,D" are Motion Sims, from 3 to 6 axis. The higher the level, the more realistic, everything from windshield wiper noise to thunder, hail, air conditioning, aerodynamic noise of the wind etc...
Where as the Level 1,2,3,4,5,6 FTD's (Flight Training Devices) are earthbound and the higher the number the more realistic or specific to a particular aircraft.
Hope that helps!
Bob
Hope this helps... The links are to WordDocs on the FAA website. Simulator Level Requirements and Flight Training Device (FTD) Requirements
If you'd like to access the page directly click here... FAA Simulator Facts
Other than that... the basic answer is that LEVEL "A,B,C,D" are Motion Sims, from 3 to 6 axis. The higher the level, the more realistic, everything from windshield wiper noise to thunder, hail, air conditioning, aerodynamic noise of the wind etc...
Where as the Level 1,2,3,4,5,6 FTD's (Flight Training Devices) are earthbound and the higher the number the more realistic or specific to a particular aircraft.
Hope that helps!
Bob
Merlin
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It is NOT a full motion sim. I dont know what level of FTD it is, however, it is a full CRJ cockpit with all the fun buttons, dials and switches, including the fully functional FMS. As far as I could see and have gathered, everything works as realistically as an FTD gets.
Jeremy
Jeremy
Timbuff10
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Thanks Captain Bob,
Looking forward to checking it all out in person sometime. I am starting to think it's a pretty good tool to have down the road but right now I am only going to concentrate on what would get me that instructor position and aim for that. I like to teach and I think I am more looking forward to being an instructor than being a new hire FO just hanging on to the tail with my finger.
At this point I am certain ATP will be the place for me!
Looking forward to checking it all out in person sometime. I am starting to think it's a pretty good tool to have down the road but right now I am only going to concentrate on what would get me that instructor position and aim for that. I like to teach and I think I am more looking forward to being an instructor than being a new hire FO just hanging on to the tail with my finger.
At this point I am certain ATP will be the place for me!
TornadoAlley
New Member
Since I was the first one to start this whole thing, I was not aware it would open a can of worms. With the links, websites, and user comments, it appears that a clearer picture of what is going to happen has developed. So maybe it wasn;t such a bad thing to have posted this. I am still pondering entering aviation vs. PhD in chem. I have been accepted into the program at two good universities. Both options have pros and cons. PhD = ~5yrs low pay, intense work, but good pay and reasonable job security once I finish. Aviation = Lots of fun, great work if you can actually find it, but low pay, and unstable job security. If I wait until after 6/1 to make my choice, I probably will choose the former, because I do not want to pay that much for ME training.
Eagle737
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Who is going to hire someone to fly a CRJ that has only 300 hours TT? Seems like the CRJ thing should be something you could do extra down the road when you get to the point where you can start applying..... You will still have a pretty good road to go till you are hireable right?
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Kinda yes and kinda no... for the most part I would agree... its kinda early to learn the CRJ... but at the same time... internal applicants for airline spots often have WAY below min. flight time when they hire on.. I know that at AE our mins were reduced down to 700 tt back in '00 and I know that LA Tech has an agreement with AE now for an guaranteed interview at 500/100 with dean approval... I also have talked with an ASA F/O out at work one night and he was an ASA CSR and got a position as F/O internally with only 300/200... so there are some cases where the CRJ training with low times and being hireable is actually not too unrealistic
just thought I would throw in my .02
-Chris
Who is going to hire someone to fly a CRJ that has only 300 hours TT? Seems like the CRJ thing should be something you could do extra down the road when you get to the point where you can start applying..... You will still have a pretty good road to go till you are hireable right?
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Kinda yes and kinda no... for the most part I would agree... its kinda early to learn the CRJ... but at the same time... internal applicants for airline spots often have WAY below min. flight time when they hire on.. I know that at AE our mins were reduced down to 700 tt back in '00 and I know that LA Tech has an agreement with AE now for an guaranteed interview at 500/100 with dean approval... I also have talked with an ASA F/O out at work one night and he was an ASA CSR and got a position as F/O internally with only 300/200... so there are some cases where the CRJ training with low times and being hireable is actually not too unrealistic
just thought I would throw in my .02
-Chris
Timbuff10
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Who is going to hire someone to fly a CRJ that has only 300 hours TT? Seems like the CRJ thing should be something you could do extra down the road when you get to the point where you can start applying..... You will still have a pretty good road to go till you are hireable right?
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Kinda yes and kinda no... for the most part I would agree... its kinda early to learn the CRJ... but at the same time... internal applicants for airline spots often have WAY below min. flight time when they hire on.. I know that at AE our mins were reduced down to 700 tt back in '00 and I know that LA Tech has an agreement with AE now for an guaranteed interview at 500/100 with dean approval... I also have talked with an ASA F/O out at work one night and he was an ASA CSR and got a position as F/O internally with only 300/200... so there are some cases where the CRJ training with low times and being hireable is actually not too unrealistic
just thought I would throw in my .02
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Yeah, I made that statement before the info about the program came out. A few days ago they posted on the website that the CRJ program is intended for you when you get to the point where you are ready to send out the resume' to airlines. I think it could be very helpful when taken like this. If you figure you will have around 300+ hrs when you start instructing, and then instruct at ATP for 6 months or so and then do the CRJ thing, it may look pretty good and make you pretty confident in your interview.
My question is what are the chances of getting an instructing gig at ATP? From what I hear, I would LOVE to get on there.
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Who is going to hire someone to fly a CRJ that has only 300 hours TT? Seems like the CRJ thing should be something you could do extra down the road when you get to the point where you can start applying..... You will still have a pretty good road to go till you are hireable right?
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Kinda yes and kinda no... for the most part I would agree... its kinda early to learn the CRJ... but at the same time... internal applicants for airline spots often have WAY below min. flight time when they hire on.. I know that at AE our mins were reduced down to 700 tt back in '00 and I know that LA Tech has an agreement with AE now for an guaranteed interview at 500/100 with dean approval... I also have talked with an ASA F/O out at work one night and he was an ASA CSR and got a position as F/O internally with only 300/200... so there are some cases where the CRJ training with low times and being hireable is actually not too unrealistic
just thought I would throw in my .02
-Chris
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Yeah, I made that statement before the info about the program came out. A few days ago they posted on the website that the CRJ program is intended for you when you get to the point where you are ready to send out the resume' to airlines. I think it could be very helpful when taken like this. If you figure you will have around 300+ hrs when you start instructing, and then instruct at ATP for 6 months or so and then do the CRJ thing, it may look pretty good and make you pretty confident in your interview.
My question is what are the chances of getting an instructing gig at ATP? From what I hear, I would LOVE to get on there.