ATP Final Rule Signed

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5Right_5Left

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Most of this I believe we already knew but if you want to read it all its only 221 pages long. :ooh: The one thing I'm curious is to others opinions on getting an aviation degree now with this "APT with restricted privileges." Is it worth it? Too late for me, but for the next people still working on it.

http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/rulemaking/recently_published/media/2120-AJ67.pdf
Other highlights of the rule include:

  • A requirement for a pilot to have a minimum of 1,000 flight hours as a co-pilot in air carrier operations prior to serving as a captain for a U.S. airline.
  • Enhanced training requirements for an ATP certificate, including 50 hours of multi-engine flight experience and completion of a new FAA-approved training program.
  • An allowance for pilots with fewer than 1,500 hours of flight time or who have not reached the minimum age of 23 to obtain a “restricted privileges” ATP certificate. A restricted privileges ATP certificate allows a pilot to serve as a co-pilot until he or she obtains the necessary 1,500 hours. The options are:
    —Military pilots with 750 hours total time as a pilot;
    —Graduates holding a Bachelor’s degree with an aviation major with 1,000 hours total time as a pilot;
    —Graduates holding an Associate’s degree with an aviation major with 1,250 hours;
    —Pilots who are at least 21 years old with 1,500 flight hours.

http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/rulemaking/recently_published/media/2120-AJ67.pdf
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http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=14838&cid=TW173
 
Interesting here:
—Graduates holding a Bachelor’s degree with an aviation major with 1,000 hours total time as a pilot;
So does it state all your flight training had to be Pt 141 at a university, or only that you hold an "Aviation Major Degree"? Not that I'm chasing right seat 121 as I'm too old and crusty, but interested in the interpretation as I have a BS in Aviation Management from SIU (yes its on parchment and signed by Orville).
 
Wait, huh? So you have to be 23, unless your military or a graduate with an aviation degree, then 21 years old is acceptable? I'm confused, that really doesnt make much sense.
 
Nice....I'm no longer qualified for ATP-MEL because I'm 10 hours short on multi time........even though I'm closing in on ~2,000TT and WAY more than all the other minimums required for ATP.
 
What a joke.

3. Minimum cross country time
for all eligible pilots is 200 hours.

1,000 hours for a graduate of a four-year baccalaureate aviation-degree program who
also received a commercial certificate and instrument rating from an affiliated part

141 pilot school.

Hey as they say there really are not shortcuts in life, and oh yeah those that get their ATP before having the real requirements are only cheating themselves...

Glad they lowered the age, so that pilots who have at least achieved the real requirements can get a restricted.
 
purpel said:
Hey as they say there really are not shortcuts in life, and oh yeah those that get their ATP before having the real requirements are only cheating themselves...

Glad they lowered the age, so that pilots who have at least achieved the real requirements can get a restricted.
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I would agree :)
 
I didn't see anything in there about guys currently flying part 121 with less than 1500. Did I miss it?
 
So how do you become eligible to take the written? Or would it be better to take it sooner than later?
 
WhatRJ said:
It says instrument and commercial must be from a 141 pilot school (page 22)
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Pg 22 is only referring to the NPRM, if you look at table 4 on pg 22, it leads me to believe that the final ruling only states graduates with a bachelor's degree in aviation. I'm interested to find out the actual meaning. I graduated from a private university with a degree in aviation, but all my training was under 61.
 
grchase90 said:
Pg 22 is only referring to the NPRM, if you look at table 4 on pg 22, it leads me to believe that the final ruling only states graduates with a bachelor's degree in aviation.
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You are correct, I was only suggesting that because they mention it again on page 122 under "summary of FAA decision".

"1,000 hours for a graduate who holds a bachelor’s degree with an aviation major (60+ aviation semester credits) from an institution of higher education who also receives a commercial certificate and instrument rating from an associated part 141 pilot school"
 
mikecweb said:
You'd get that 10 hours during any type rating training.
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Yeah, but most carriers will probably require you to have an ATP-MEL before even interviewing you, thus making this irrelevant.

Ill most likely have to buy 10 more hours of multi.

Doesn't really concern me for now as I'm really happy at my 135 carrier, but further in the future however.....


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I wouldn't panic yet. We're hearing that a grandfather for current 121 guys is imminent. There has to be.

No way ALPA will allow any govenment legislation that puts guys on the street (at least they shouldn't allow it)
 
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