Atp Crj School
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meyers9163
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I couldbe wrong but a lot of the courses at ATP come with the materials. The price is set and that's what it cost period. I would also say from your previous post to really think about the career jump before doing it. It sounds like you are pretty set right now and I could be wrong but from your other post it was an "OMG" moment where you realized with your times you could be hired. Also take advice from others about ways to get where you want to be. You have the times and who knows if this is the way you NEED to go. But you could easily go to ATP do the course and get an interview, but you could also do that without the course and your times....... Just think you might want to put some more thought into it.....
GlenWimpy
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Well , the reason I have 2300 hours over a 20 year span , is partly because of preparation ................ You can never be to prepared or Informed.
The FAA Guy who did my CFI check ride , back when the president flew in a Convair 440 , lol , said I was the most prepared canidate he ever evaluated!
The FAA Guy who did my CFI check ride , back when the president flew in a Convair 440 , lol , said I was the most prepared canidate he ever evaluated!
3green
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I think that the ATP CRJ program is waaaay overpriced. Especially since they charge ATP grads half what they charge the general public. You might want to look at Pan Am which has cheaper FMS programs and CRJ courses if thats what you want to learn. Not sure how good Pan Am's is though.
If your just looking for CRJ material go do a google search online and you'll find plenty of pilotshops that sell material(books, guides) on the CRJ to prep you. Beats paying ATP to sit in their classroom. But, hey its your money so feel free to do whatever you want.
3green
If your just looking for CRJ material go do a google search online and you'll find plenty of pilotshops that sell material(books, guides) on the CRJ to prep you. Beats paying ATP to sit in their classroom. But, hey its your money so feel free to do whatever you want.
3green
blee256
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With ATPs CRJ program, They arent selling "how to fly a CRJ". they are selling the 121 regional airline job that you very might get with the preferential interview. The 6K price tag isnt based on how much it costs them to run. Its based on what they think the starry eyed CFI will pay for it.
SRA_kbad
Scooter Trash!!!
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I wouldn't waste your money. You have the nesessary hours. Just go apply, and the airline will train you, and pay you at the same time!!!
montanapilot
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if you are actually still considering doing this schiesty program after what all these people who have "made it" told you, then you need to get your head checked.
EDUC8-or
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May I ask why you're going with those kinds of times? There are lots of companies our there that operate the CRJ that will PAY YOU to learn about the CRJ.
GlenWimpy
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I own a business , I have to spend a lot of time to keep it going.............. Its a hard jump from 75K a year to 24K.............. my 2300 hours is over a 20 year span ..................... I cant take off 2 months for crj school with an airline , although ecentually I'll have to for the course ............... I want to learn as much as I can before the course so the work load will be lighter during the 2 months of airline school ..................going from a 172 , 210 , 414 is quite a jump to a CRJ , so I want to be prepared ................6 K for a one week school is not a bid deal for me , so I plan to go to the ATP school this fall ................
EDUC8-or
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I'm not really following your last post. Are you planning on trying to work for an airline that operates CRJ's? You stated you can't take 2 months off to go to an airline school. Are you quitting your job? Eventually?
ATP does things differently than the airlines and you may have to "Un-learn" some of the things they teach you.
ATP does things differently than the airlines and you may have to "Un-learn" some of the things they teach you.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
I'm not sure if you understand how a 121 ground school works or not. From that statement I am going to assume that you don't. Basically, the FAA requires that you spend a certain amount of time doing each section. Already knowing the CRJ systems (and chances are ATP is going to be teaching you different stuff then the airline you end up at) isn't going to make your work load any lighter. Even guys who are already typed in the CRJ (and actually have experience flying it, not the bs RAA program) still have to spend the same amount of time as everybody else. They *might* find the sim a little easier because they have already operated the aircraft at speed, but the ground school portion is the exact same as for everybody else.
S.T.Aviator
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If you really have your heart set on doing a CRJ course I would look at Pan Am's 4 week course for $4000. Better bang for the buck!
http://www.panamacademy.net/AirCrewEducation.html
http://www.panamacademy.net/AirCrewEducation.html
EDUC8-or
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I'm guessing since you're fairly new to the boards you haven't read up much on PFT/PFJ. If you go to the Hot Topics Archive: http://forums.jetcareers.com/hot-topic-archive/ and click on anything that's titled PFT/PFJ you might find some more information and become more educated.
I'm not anti CRJ school, my airline paid me the minimum monthly guarantee, paid for my hotel, and gave me 24/7 per-diem to attend their ground school. I just think the CRJ transition course is a waste of 6000 bucks. As a matter of fact, my sim partner did the ATP CRJ course and he did indeed do better in the systems portion of our ground school, but I survived just fine. I would even go as far as to say systems was much easier than what I expected. If I had 6000 bucks and hadn't been flying much lately I would go out and shoot a bunch of approaches do as much IFR flying as I could into busy airports. I think that would help much more.
I'm not anti CRJ school, my airline paid me the minimum monthly guarantee, paid for my hotel, and gave me 24/7 per-diem to attend their ground school. I just think the CRJ transition course is a waste of 6000 bucks. As a matter of fact, my sim partner did the ATP CRJ course and he did indeed do better in the systems portion of our ground school, but I survived just fine. I would even go as far as to say systems was much easier than what I expected. If I had 6000 bucks and hadn't been flying much lately I would go out and shoot a bunch of approaches do as much IFR flying as I could into busy airports. I think that would help much more.
mxflyer
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I'm the same way. Why waste time. Time is money. I signed up after my friend got an interview then started a job with XJet within a couple weeks after finishing the program. He started about a week after his interview. He said the interview wasn't too bad and he said he felt more prepared for ground school.
Some are saying that airlines will PAY for you to learn the CRJ. Only part true. They are hoping you survive, that's true (for the most part). But many hire alot of pilots knowing that not all will make it through. Failing out of 121 school is not a good way to start your career.
Its well worth my money to get that "simulated ground schoo" exposure, get a job and KEEP that job.
They want you to study on your own time before you show up. There's about 40 hours worth studying each student needs to do before they show up to training. the materials are included in the cost of the program. They let you know how to study the materials, in what order to study, etc. Just like the airlines, they want you to show up prepared.
Until you get the training materials I'd study "The Turbine Pilots Manual" by Holt. That'll Help.
blee256
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HUH?!?? ATPs program is a CRJ, Expressjet flies an ERJ, and from what I understand, they're pretty different planes.
that is one of the most ridiculous things i have heard on this board. I dont think you will find anyone in this industry that agrees with you on that one. Do you know how much money it costs to put 1 pilot through a 121 ground school? The purpose of the interview is to hire people they feel will complete their airline initial new hire class. SKywest told me, if someone fails out of their training program, its the fault of the interview team for not hiring a capable applicant.
I got offered the job on a tuesday evening. I was in ground school the following monday. The only things they emailed me to study were the memory items and Limitations. If you think an airline is gonna mail you the FOM and Systems manual before you show up at the school house, think again.
I will agree with your last line, the Turbine pilots manual is a great book. Definitly study that.
blee256
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I dont get why so many are so mean about it. But i think some of it has to be, that the members who have "made it" arent big fans of it. So the others just follow their lead. Our intentions are good. jetcareer members are trying to stop you from making a mistake. Trying to save you some money. Some just come off harsher than need be.
Many have made it through 121 ground schools without CRJ transisiton programs. So its unnecessary. especially at 4-6000 dollars. Thats all everyone is trying to say. good luck
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
The CRJ and ERJ FMS are different but they are both FMS'. It will not hurt you to learn how to use the CRJ one if you're going to be in an ERJ groundschool. Won't hurt at all... except your pocket, anyway.