ATC in Trump's crosshairs

alaskadrifter said:
I watched the whole clip they posted on C-SPAN, he didn't give an opinion on privitization.
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That's why I said I don't know his position on anything yet. I do know the opinion of many of those around him though, and that means union busting, privatization, and goodbye pension for new hires and possibly those not vested yet. (vested requires 5 years civilian service, i'll have 3 this September.)
 
bimmerphile said:
eminent domain from lax to santa monica, extends smo, adds 9 parallel runways

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
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Can you imagine what the groups in Santa Monica who are lobbying to close SMO would say? I suppose it would be slightly entertaining, unless you happen to be displaced by the eminent domain.
 
A Life Aloft said:
With whiny, hysterical, melodramatic, non-stop, daily reviewers/critics.
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His words mean things. He and his people are bringing it on themselves. It, at times, has been painfully obvious that he's has no knowledge and ill-informed on many areas. I don't expect him to know everything. But I do expect him to put knowledgeable people around him and take their advice on the various areas. He's not fairing so well so far.
 
Here's a less-polished...er....sort-of-transcript....from someone who was there. (not Mrs. Killbilly on this one.)

"Meeting attendees include Oscar Munoz, CEO of United Airlines;

Ed Bastian, CEO of Delta Airlines;

Gary C. Kelly, CEO of Southwest Airlines. Pool has asked the WH for a full list.


POTUS entered the room at 9:46 am and shook hands with executives.


Jared Kushner and Gary Cohn, economic advisor, had seats at the table as well.


"Good place for meetings. Good place for a lot of things." Trump said of holding meetings at the White House.


"I'm thrilled to welcome the leaders of the airline industry to the White House."


POTUS congratulated airlines at succeeding "despite the bad equipment that the airport gives you, in many cases"


"I have a pilot who's a real expert," POTUS said, noting that his pilot has said airlines are often provided with "the wrong stuff."


"Let's order the right equipment. Probably the wrong equipment cost more." POTUS said.


"We want the traveling public to have the greatest customer service and with an absolute minimum of delays."


"We spent six trillion dollars in the Middle East, we got nothing." POTUS continued.

"And we have an obsolete plane system, we have obsolete airports."


POTUS said his polices would soon start helping companies like airlines hire more people, including "rolling back burdensome regulations"

and "lowering the overall tax burden of American businesses"


"Over the next two or three weeks" POTUS says there would be an announcement that would be "phenomenal in terms of tax"


POTUS said before the airline meeting began that automakers had praised their meeting with the president afterwards : "They left, they said it was the best meeting they ever had"


Staff then attempted to remove the pool before POTUS instructed them to stop.


"Stay for a while." He called out to the pool.

He asked the executives to go a around the table and introduce themselves.

"Delta's doing well." POTUS quipped to Bastian when he introduced himself.


"We'll make it number one," POTUS joked to the head of LAX, who said her airport was the seventh largest airport in the world.


Upon being informed that the Atlanta airport is the largest, POTUS remarked that he loves the state of Georgia.


Southwest spoke first and said the top priority for helping airlines would be to "modernize the air traffic control system" noting that money spent on the system has not helped improve it in the past.


"I hear we're spending billions and billions of dollars, it's a system that's totally out of whack." POTUS said of the air traffic control system.


POTUS inquired as to why airline corporations had allowed the government to invest in a faulty system. Southwest informed POTUS that the airlines are not "in control" of those decisions.


POTUS said that the system could potentially work better if FAA was run by a pilot because it is not currently, as a meeting attendee confirmed for him.


Pool ushered out at 10:07 am. "
 
killbilly said:
Here's a less-polished...er....sort-of-transcript....from someone who was there. (not Mrs. Killbilly on this one.)

"Meeting attendees include Oscar Munoz, CEO of United Airlines;

Ed Bastian, CEO of Delta Airlines;

Gary C. Kelly, CEO of Southwest Airlines. Pool has asked the WH for a full list.


POTUS entered the room at 9:46 am and shook hands with executives.


Jared Kushner and Gary Cohn, economic advisor, had seats at the table as well.


"Good place for meetings. Good place for a lot of things." Trump said of holding meetings at the White House.


"I'm thrilled to welcome the leaders of the airline industry to the White House."


POTUS congratulated airlines at succeeding "despite the bad equipment that the airport gives you, in many cases"


"I have a pilot who's a real expert," POTUS said, noting that his pilot has said airlines are often provided with "the wrong stuff."


"Let's order the right equipment. Probably the wrong equipment cost more." POTUS said.


"We want the traveling public to have the greatest customer service and with an absolute minimum of delays."


"We spent six trillion dollars in the Middle East, we got nothing." POTUS continued.

"And we have an obsolete plane system, we have obsolete airports."


POTUS said his polices would soon start helping companies like airlines hire more people, including "rolling back burdensome regulations"

and "lowering the overall tax burden of American businesses"


"Over the next two or three weeks" POTUS says there would be an announcement that would be "phenomenal in terms of tax"


POTUS said before the airline meeting began that automakers had praised their meeting with the president afterwards : "They left, they said it was the best meeting they ever had"


Staff then attempted to remove the pool before POTUS instructed them to stop.


"Stay for a while." He called out to the pool.

He asked the executives to go a around the table and introduce themselves.

"Delta's doing well." POTUS quipped to Bastian when he introduced himself.


"We'll make it number one," POTUS joked to the head of LAX, who said her airport was the seventh largest airport in the world.


Upon being informed that the Atlanta airport is the largest, POTUS remarked that he loves the state of Georgia.


Southwest spoke first and said the top priority for helping airlines would be to "modernize the air traffic control system" noting that money spent on the system has not helped improve it in the past.


"I hear we're spending billions and billions of dollars, it's a system that's totally out of whack." POTUS said of the air traffic control system.


POTUS inquired as to why airline corporations had allowed the government to invest in a faulty system. Southwest informed POTUS that the airlines are not "in control" of those decisions.


POTUS said that the system could potentially work better if FAA was run by a pilot because it is not currently, as a meeting attendee confirmed for him.


Pool ushered out at 10:07 am. "
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This goes back to what I said above. He was totally unprepared and has no idea of the complexities of the air traffic control system.
 
Derg said:
This is all like being on a long, four year flight and being forced to watch a very poorly-scripted movie.
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This is Reality TV with an overlay of Fox 'News.' Who could have written this script?

NovemberEcho said:
Every president should have been under as much scrutiny as the Trump administration.
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All of the scrutiny hasn't helped much. Yet.

I'll bet that somewhere in Vegas is an oddsmaker who's taking bets on when The Donald will leave office (in less than four years).
 
KLB said:
This goes back to what I said above. He was totally unprepared and has no idea of the complexities of the air traffic control system.
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That's a failure on his staff. Without a briefing on it, how would Trump know anything about the ATC system, much less the complexities of it? He has nothing to do with it and never has in his life.

Would be like me expecting you to be an expert on airport ARFF firefighting operations and the complexities involved in same, merely because you've happened to see a fire truck every now and then while taxiing around an airport. With a proper briefing, you'd at least have an idea and insight on some of the very general nuances, otherwise you wouldn't know squat besides the fact that it exists. Seems that Trump either wasn't given one. Or possibly, didn't request or didn't want one. I don't know.
 
MikeD said:
That's a failure on his staff. Without a briefing on it, how would Trump know anything about the ATC system, much less the complexities of it? He has nothing to do with it and never has in his life.

Would be like me expecting you to be an expert on airport ARFF firefighting operations and the complexities involved in same, merely because you've happened to see a fire truck every now and then while taxiing around an airport. With a proper briefing, you'd at least have an idea and insight on some of the very general nuances, otherwise you wouldn't know squat besides the fact that it exists. Seems that Trump either wasn't given one. Or possibly, didn't request or didn't want one. I don't know.
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He has not been putting the right people around him to give him the proper information. And he ignores the few people around him who are knowledgeable. He continues to refer to himself as a smart person who goes on gut feeling. He also chooses not to go to some of his daily briefings. How can he make an informed decision without getting the information?
 
MikeD said:
That's a failure on his staff. Without a briefing on it, how would Trump know anything about the ATC system, much less the complexities of it? He has nothing to do with it and never has in his life.

Seems that Trump either wasn't given one. Or possibly, didn't request or didn't want one. I don't know.
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I would guess the latter. I'll put money on the fact that a comprehenshive briefing book was on his desk last night. However, he went with a couple of soundbites he remembered hearing his corporate pilot tell him a few years ago.

This is SOP for Trump and we should all get used to it. He's got the attention span of a 6 year old.
 
KLB said:
He has not been putting the right people around him to give him the proper information. And he ignores the few people around him who are knowledgeable. He continues to refer to himself as a smart person who goes on gut feeling. He also chooses not to go to some of his daily briefings. How can he make an informed decision without getting the information?
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If he ignores people or advice, then I agree that's on him.

If his people don't properly brief him on stuff he has no first hand knowledge of (assuming he is open to it), then that's on them.

Remember when President Obama was doing the prayer breakfast back in 2010, and was talking of a Navy sailor and kept mispronouncing the word "Corpsman" (Navy medic) as "corpse-man" instead of the proper "core-man". It sounded really bad indeed. But benefit-of-the-doubt wise, was it really Obama's fault? No, not really. He's an intelligent guy, but having never served in the military and likely never dealt with that title or used it in conversationj, it's logical that he simply may not have known. His staff however did him no favors, as they should've gone over the speech at least once, to where the word would've been spoken and would be heard correctly. I don't expect any president to know everything about everything.

Now, if Trump is indeed non-receptive to staff who are trying to advise him properly, then thats another issue altogether. And one that will continue to bite him if he doesn't rectify it.
 
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