Trip7
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Emirates is hiring FAs big time...pilots too. Between whats happening in the US and at Alitalia, Emirates management is probably poppin champange seeing that their staffing problem is about to come to an end
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Emirates is hiring FAs big time...pilots too. Between whats happening in the US and at Alitalia, Emirates management is probably poppin champange seeing that their staffing problem is about to come to an end
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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I don't think Emirates is having much of a problem with pilot staffing. A buddy of mine interviewed there in January and said that they only hired 4 out of 16 that interviewed that day. 
wheelsup
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I think that statement further betrays the revenue argument. If a salesman doesn't sell anything, he makes zero. Yet if a pilot flies an empty plane does he not get paid?
Maximilian_Jenius
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Yea, I see your guys flights here. Y'all need a west coast base bad, maybe say Denver!
Anyways, just got off the phone with him he doesn't care to much bout' pay only because he knows he is going to take a huge pay cut no matter where he goes. But, he was diversified, and said he has his 401k, several savings accounts and a really nice strike/furlough funded account.
He said he was making more than $50 an hr. so sounds like in the short term he'll be more than alright.
But, I told him 'bout AirTran, and he said he'll look into it, he sounded interested!
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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And as the poster already said in the quote you provided, that's because the pilot isn't responsible for filling the seats. A salesman is responsible for his own sales, but a pilot is not responsible for ticket sales. A pilot is responsible for operating the equipment safely and efficiently.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Yea, I see your guys flights here. Y'all need a west coast base bad, maybe say Denver!
I can think of a way that might become reality in the coming months. Time will tell.
He'd love it here. Great group of FAs. Much better than those legacy guys and gals.
Maximilian_Jenius
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Emirates is hiring FAs big time...pilots too. Between whats happening in the US and at Alitalia, Emirates management is probably poppin champange seeing that their staffing problem is about to come to an end
Naaaaa, he isn't a fan of being away from home or his husband for too long.
He mainly did the PHX-HNL runs, but could have done the far more profitable military charters. More especially the Iraq or Afghanistan charters and made bank.
But he always said what good is tons of cash if you hate life!?
So, he won't be, becoming an ex-pat!
Oh, and just got your text, lol!
Maximilian_Jenius
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wheelsup
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Exactly. We are paid to operate the equipment only. We don't receive any commissions on the sales. In other words the thought that we receive commissions (higher pay) based upon more pax is a fallacy.
However, there really is no line in the sand to draw when it comes to pay. It's probably pretty common knowledge and goes with normal logic that the bigger the equipment, the bigger the pay check.
Polar742
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A pilot is paid to produce ASMs (or FTK for freight) safely. If a pilot at UAL, DAL, CAL, Korean, JAL, Air France, AMR, JetAirways, BA all fly airplanes from JFK to LHR, with 300 seats, they produce the exact same ASMs. Their job is not to place or sell the product. If you fly bigger equipment, you make more ASMs, thus increasing the company's inventory to sell.
That is similar to blaming the line worker at GM for not selling cars. That's not their job, their job is to make cars in the same manner it is the pilot's job to safely produce ASMs.
If a salesman doesn't sell anything, they get fired. If no salespeople sell anything, the place goes under.
wheelsup
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Actually, I would say your argument would be like saying a line worker who installs doors on Hummers should make more money per hour than one who installs doors on Cobalts, because GM makes more money off of Hummers therefore the one putting doors on Hummers creates more revenue for GM
. Doesn't make sense, does it?
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
Actually, I would say your argument would be like saying a line worker who installs doors on Hummers should make more money per hour than one who installs doors on Cobalts, because GM makes more money off of Hummers therefore the one putting doors on Hummers creates more revenue for GM
No it doesn't make sense, because you don't understand what I'm saying. What I'm saying is a worker who puts 6 doors/hr on a Cobalt (6 UNITS) should make the same as a worker who puts 6 doors/hr on a Hummer (6 Units) 6 units of work is 6 units of work. It's the same job.
I don't know what you fly, but I'll pretend it's not a 747 or 380. We'll fly from, oh, IND-MCO. About 1000 nm. We'll say you fly a CRJ with 50 seats, and I'll fly my 747 with 500 seats. Now, Doug in his 300 seat 767 flies the route too. You'll make 50,000 ASM (...or 50,000 units.) Doug will make 300,000 ASM (or 300,000 Units), and I'll make 500,000 ASM (500,000 units). Who generated the most units? Me.
Now, you fly your CRJ with 50 seats, and my buddy from the old shop will fly the 50 ERJ. You generate 50,000 ASM (50,000 units) and he will generate 50,000 ASM (50,000 units).
The CRJ and ERJ produce the exact same number of units, just like the guys installing doors can only install 6 doors an hour in either place.
The other comparison shows that the larger aircraft generate far more units than a smaller aircraft.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Finally, a man with common sense around here!
wheelsup
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But GM makes $60k off of those 6 units of work on the Hummer ($10k per car) vs. $12k off of the Cobalt ($2k per car).
Same job, but they make more money, so again why would the workers making Hummers not get paid more?
You said it yourself. It's the same job
.You can explain more about ASM's if you want, I understand your side of the argument but I don't agree with it
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tonyw
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:yeahthat:
Look at the pilots like you would the shipping department at another company.
If there's nothing to ship out, who do you blame?
The shipping department or the sales people?
I can tell you who would get blamed at my company, and it wouldn't be the guys who print out the UPS labels.
It's only true if people accept it. That is why pilots willing to take skybus wages to "get ahead" with experience, planning on using that "quality" time to get on with a "good paying" job is so dangerous. Next thing you know that's all anyone makes.
I see you changed your tune during the thread now and like UPS wages. Which is it? Do you think we're all only worth 20k a year or is six figures ok with you? Do we have your approval to seek to make our profession better?
wheelsup
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I think you need to look at my posts with less disdain. Only an idiot would "like" lower wages. What I like is the way UPS has their pay set up, it's one rate. Please go back and read my post again, please
.The beauty of America is you don't need anyones approval to do anything, and you are free to form your own opinion. What I "think" you're worth means nothing, only you know your true worth and can accept or decline what jobs you see fit.
Personally I feel that capitalist market rates won't ever be established when unions are on the property. Do lawyers need unions to establish their high pay? Do doctors? Do MBA's? No.
Skybus and Virgin America had/have no problems attracting pilots and as such their pay rates were/are probably pretty close to market rates in the present environment. Unions inflate wages (pros and cons with that). That's my hypothesis at least
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Please go back and read my post again, please
No thanks. They made me sick to my stomach the first time. No desire to repeat.