Asking for the jumpseat and other lost traditions

learhawkerbe400 said:
Here's one for yal.

I was commuting on Eagle as a mainline pilot to work. Flight is full and I'm number 2 of 5 on the list and the only pilot. I check in with the agent and say guess I'll be in the jump and he goes no hang out think I have a seat for you. So 15 prior everyone's boarded and he gives me my seat. Notice the #5 guy is a non AA/eagle pilot who gets cleared for the jump. Cool I get a seat. Then I see the #3 person on the list who is a mainline FA that I know well. He says since you didn't take the jump the other guy did and now I won't get on. I let him know I offered to take it but the agent gave me a seat. Luckily there was a no show and we all got on. However I thought I was going to have to tell the other pilot sorry man but I'll be taking the jump and the #3 will be in my seat. Agent put me in a crummy position.

Thoughts?
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Having worked for Eagle in the past (I never worked for Envoy ;) ) and VAGUELY remembering the JS policy there, you would've been in your right to say sorry. It's the way it works. Agent should've known too as it shows up in RES as you are JS/AA which has priority over a D6, or whatever they use for an OAL jump.

Edit: I don't see why the agent would clear you, as #2 and give you a seat, clear #5 for the JS, assuming the flight is full, and then clearing #3 to your seat. Unless there was a miscommunication about the no show that got everyone on. If it were full, #3 should have never been cleared, and you "enjoy" your seat in back. If it were the case the flight were full, and you had a seat with the other person in the jump, you would have been in your right to say sorry to the FA you know.
 
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Gorsoon said:
You're still a dbag, you don't get to decide who sits in the jumpseat because you want to get your buddy on.
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Yea I know. The jumpseat is dictated by company policy and the agent didn't follow it. How do you not understand that? You must be a bitter regional lifer.
 
learhawkerbe400 said:
Yea I know. The jumpseat is dictated by company policy and the agent didn't follow it. How do you not understand that? You must be a bitter regional lifer.
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how did the agent not follow it? based on what you said, you list for the flight, your position on the list got you a seat in the back and the jumpseat was still filled.
 
ian said:
how did the agent not follow it? based on what you said, you list for the flight, your position on the list got you a seat in the back and the jumpseat was still filled.
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Yea I understand that but the issue was now a company FA was getting left behind and an offline pilot was getting on. I just assumed the agent would try and get the most company people on who were higher on the priority list.
 
learhawkerbe400 said:
Yea I understand that but the issue was now a company FA was getting left behind and an offline pilot was getting on. I just assumed the agent would try and get the most company people on who were higher on the priority list.
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Well I have refused to take the Jumpseat in the past to get an offline jumpseater on. It meant bumping a buddy passes who certainly had priority over them. I think you have to look out for others occasionally.
 
Luigi said:
Well I have refused to take the Jumpseat in the past to get an offline jumpseater on. It meant bumping a buddy passes who certainly had priority over them. I think you have to look out for others occasionally.
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I get that. But this wasn't a buddy pass rider. This was a company FA going to work. Just trying to look at it from all angles so I can try and keep everyone happy.
 
learhawkerbe400 said:
Yea I understand that but the issue was now a company FA was getting left behind and an offline pilot was getting on. I just assumed the agent would try and get the most company people on who were higher on the priority list.
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Nope. FA would've been hosed. But the silver lining is, he would've been #1 on the standby list for the next flight! Plus, I'm more about pilots helping pilots. Let the OAL have the jump, take your seat, and say sorry to the FA.
 
B767 said:
Nope. FA would've been hosed. But the silver lining is, he would've been #1 on the standby list for the next flight! Plus, I'm more about pilots helping pilots. Let the OAL have the jump, take your seat, and say sorry to the FA.
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Just seems odd because if the FA would have checked in before me I would have been in the jump and the OAL guy wouldn't have gotten on. I'm totally for pilots helping pilots, but at the expense of coworkers? Just throwing it out there.
 
Gorsoon said:
Yes, you sound like a dbag who thinks he owns the jumpseat on a "lesser pilots" airplane.
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No he doesn't, he sounds like someone who was trying to help out a coworker. I have no idea where you get that from.

Although I am in the camp of pilots helping out other pilots, I will admit the fact @learhawkerbe400 knew the FA well does complicate things. I don't think I could fault him for going either route.
 
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Gorsoon said:
Bull sh#t, He was going to pull rank on another commuting pilot who wasn't a member of his sh#tty little AA club, #5 got cleared for the cockpit, and given the 15 prior time frame, I assume was handed a boarding pass with his name on it, had gone down to introduce himself to the PIC and ask permission to ride the jumpseat. Probably was accommodated by said PIC, only then to be approached by our fearless protagonist and told "you can't ride the jumpseat on "my aircraft" you see I'm "mainline" and we "OWN THIS AIRCRAFT AND WE HAVE PRIORITY ON ALL JUMPSEATS"
The PIC decision doesn't matter, I'm in the jumpseat and my FA buddy is in the main cabin, you can catch the next flight friend, expecting #5 to tuck tail and walk the wrong way in a jetbridge while trying to get to work.

All this so our intrepid aviator can then do was seems to happen every time I'm behind them while they are #1 at the hold short line, " uhh, tower, we're still waiting on numbers" Dip sh#ts.

Have a nice day.
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Hey man, APC is the other way. Back up, turn around at the caution sign and hang a left at the fork. You'll be right at home in no time.
 
Gorsoon said:
Bull sh#t, He was going to pull rank on another commuting pilot who wasn't a member of his sh#tty little AA club, #5 got cleared for the cockpit, and given the 15 prior time frame, I assume was handed a boarding pass with his name on it, had gone down to introduce himself to the PIC and ask permission to ride the jumpseat. Probably was accommodated by said PIC, only then to be approached by our fearless protagonist and told "you can't ride the jumpseat on "my aircraft" you see I'm "mainline" and we "OWN THIS AIRCRAFT AND WE HAVE PRIORITY ON ALL JUMPSEATS"
The PIC decision doesn't matter, I'm in the jumpseat and my FA buddy is in the main cabin, you can catch the next flight friend, expecting #5 to tuck tail and walk the wrong way in a jetbridge while trying to get to work.

All this so our intrepid aviator can then do was seems to happen every time I'm behind them while they are #1 at the hold short line, " uhh, tower, we're still waiting on numbers" Dip sh#ts.

Have a nice day.
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Gorsoon said:
I'm really surprised you guys are backing this AA Tool, you might be #5 someday.
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We are surprised you're still here. You haven't brought anything useful to the conversation. Considering you led off with your emotions rather than facts. Don't let the door hit you.

Jumpseat priority varies but usually it's company, then common mainline partners, then OAL. It's overly simplified I know.

At endeavor we allowed us, then Delta, then DCI, then OAL. We got reciprocated higher priority on mainline above the rest of DCI.
 
SpiceWeasel said:
We are surprised you're still here. You haven't brought anything useful to the conversation. Considering you led off with your emotions rather than facts. Don't let the door hit you.

Jumpseat priority varies but usually it's company, then common mainline partners, then OAL. It's overly simplified I know.

At endeavor we allowed us, then Delta, then DCI, then OAL. We got reciprocated higher priority on mainline above the rest of DCI.
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Who's we? You're missing the point Weasel. You seem to have trouble comprehending the simplest of matters, emotions are not needed to identify a tool, the facts alone speak to this.
What part of pulling rank do you not understand.
 
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