Asking for the jumpseat and other lost traditions

Flying Saluki said:
I have thoughts like this every time I read one of the threads about "Why can't I get a call from such-and-such legacy?" Yes you can fly the airplane. But can you COMMAND an airliner? I think that's why the PIC time is so desired. It's not about the hours. It's about having a record of command performance.
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Meh. A great FO is going to make a great CA. A bad FO is going to make a bad CA. Having a record of performance, no matter what seat they are in, is just as telling as having a record of command performance, IMO.
 
BobDDuck said:
But I beat you by 23 minutes. It's the little things in life, right? Maybe you should ask your union for... oh, wait. Nevermind. (I kid... I kid)
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I'll ask. What do I have to lose? Sounds like ours seems to be doing better for the group then our sister group. You hear they talking three pilot groups now???
 
Meh. Don't listen to @BobDDuck @ComplexHiAv8r. He can't math. He's trying to sound all tough about unions but can't even do a simple 29-3.




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Also, just because we don't get wings to give out doesn't mean you can't make paper airplanes for the kids that say United Express or Delta Connection on them.
 
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BobDDuck said:
Nope. It's just because they respect you because you fly a plane with engines under the wings.

True story though... we had a husband and wife United pilot combo the other day who said to the cabin "I need you to sign this" (the jumpseat form) with no introduction and then proceeded to complain that our rampers probably weren't treating their golf bags carfully, even with the crew tags on them.
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Were they by any chance headed to KOA?
 
B767 said:
Meh. Don't listen to @BobDDuck @ComplexHiAv8r. He can't math. He's trying to sound all tough about unions but can't even do a simple 29-3.




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Also, just because we don't get wings to give out doesn't mean you can't make paper airplanes for the kids that say United Express or Delta Connection on them.
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I carry crayons and draw them pictures.
 
It was explained to me when I first worked for a carrier with CASS that the jumpseat belongs to the captain, whether it's the physical one in the cockpit or the figurative open cabin seat. Consequently, you always ask when using something belonging to another. For me it's:
"Hi, I'm xx with xxx airline. Can I hitch a ride with you today? They have space in the back." Or, if necessary, "They said it's full, so can I share your space up here?"
If I didn't ask, I would assume that I would be asked to deplane when the head count is delivered.

One time I got stung riding on Southwest from Tulsa to Detroit. The flight had a stop in St. Louis, but continued on to Detroit as the same flight number. It was very convenient for me to not need to change airplanes. I asked permission as usual in Tulsa. There was room in the cabin. In St. Louis I failed to observe there was a crew change, and then the airplane filled up. There was a PA asking for the jumpseater to come forward. I did, and the new captain pulled me onto the jet bridge to give me what for. It was kind of embarrassing. The outgoing crew didn't brief the incoming ones or leave the paper ticket that Southwest has one give to the captain. If I would have noticed the crew change, I would have renewed the permission. Eventually things got sorted out, and I was allowed to ride in the cockpit from STL to DTW. I thought that second leg captain could have handled things a little more gently. For awhile I thought I'd be left without even getting to go back and retrieve my carry-on bag.
 
Don't feel bad. Swa is great in accommodating jumpseaters but I've had problems on through flights, too. Never been yelled at about it and that could be unsavory. But I could totally see how it could happen.
 
FlyingT said:
It was explained to me when I first worked for a carrier with CASS that the jumpseat belongs to the captain, whether it's the physical one in the cockpit or the figurative open cabin seat. Consequently, you always ask when using something belonging to another. For me it's:
"Hi, I'm xx with xxx airline. Can I hitch a ride with you today? They have space in the back." Or, if necessary, "They said it's full, so can I share your space up here?"
If I didn't ask, I would assume that I would be asked to deplane when the head count is delivered.

One time I got stung riding on Southwest from Tulsa to Detroit. The flight had a stop in St. Louis, but continued on to Detroit as the same flight number. It was very convenient for me to not need to change airplanes. I asked permission as usual in Tulsa. There was room in the cabin. In St. Louis I failed to observe there was a crew change, and then the airplane filled up. There was a PA asking for the jumpseater to come forward. I did, and the new captain pulled me onto the jet bridge to give me what for. It was kind of embarrassing. The outgoing crew didn't brief the incoming ones or leave the paper ticket that Southwest has one give to the captain. If I would have noticed the crew change, I would have renewed the permission. Eventually things got sorted out, and I was allowed to ride in the cockpit from STL to DTW. I thought that second leg captain could have handled things a little more gently. For awhile I thought I'd be left without even getting to go back and retrieve my carry-on bag.
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I did a through flight on SWA once. Once the plane was de-boarded, I moved up to the very front seats so I could see if this exact scenario would become an issue. I had already told the FAs and was already listed, when the gate agent and new pilots came down, I just greeted them.
 
Is there a difference if you're a pilot between listing as a non-rev vice listing for the jumpseat?

I'll ask if I list for the jumpseat. I'll introduce myself either way, usually with chocolates in hand.

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pdxcfi said:
Is there a difference if you're a pilot between listing as a non-rev vice listing for the jumpseat?

I'll ask if I list for the jumpseat. I'll introduce myself either way, usually with chocolates either way.

Hat and blazer and trench...with shined shoes here


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Man. My shoes are taking a beating this winter.
 
pdxcfi said:
Is there a difference if you're a pilot between listing as a non-rev vice listing for the jumpseat?

I'll ask if I list for the jumpseat. I'll introduce myself either way, usually with chocolates in hand.

Hat and blazer and trench...with shined shoes here.


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My tone is a bit different. When I'm jumpseating I always ask for the ride. When you nonrev you don't really have to, but if I'm in uniform (which I'm rarely not when at the airport) I'll at least stop in and let them know I am in the back.
 
Reminds me of a few years ago. I was non-revving in uniform from SLC to PHX on a regional, in uniform and I called up to the cockpit and lectured about not checking in for the jumpseat.

I was confused and asked if someone from my company had failed to ask for the jumpseat and if they had, I'd be more than happy to send a note to our Jumpseat Coordinator.

He was confused at my response, I was confused by his statement and then we both figured it out.
 
Derg said:
Reminds me of a few years ago. I was non-revving in uniform from SLC to PHX on a regional, in uniform and I called up to the cockpit and lectured about not checking in for the jumpseat.

I was confused and asked if someone from my company had failed to ask for the jumpseat and if they had, I'd be more than happy to send a note to our Jumpseat Coordinator.

He was confused at my response, I was confused by his statement and then we both figured it out.
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I got called up front to the principal's office when I road on Spirit with a ticket I purchased. I guess it might have been kind of feminine hygiene product like to ride as a rev passenger in uniform, but like I said, if I'm at the airport I'm in uniform. Simplifies things greatly.
 
If you're non-reving or deadheading in uniform on my flight, I'd actually prefer it if you just took your seat and didn't say hi. If we're on a quick turn and busy with pilot stuff, having several people needlessly interrupt us to say "Hey, I'm in the back if you need me" can be a bit annoying. I'm glad you made it on the flight, but if for some reason I need another pilot to come up front and save the day, I'll ask my FA if there's anyone in pilot garb back there.
 
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