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PhilosopherPilot said:
Delta did not relax scope. There was a massive net reduction in DCI flying, and many more restrictions on things such as turboprops.
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Fuel costs were already restricting the total number of 50 seaters flying, and with the new TA the number of more economical large RJ's that could be outsourced increased. That is a relaxation in scope.
 
Pilotforhire587 said:
Fuel costs were already restricting the total number of 50 seaters flying, and with the new TA the number of more economical large RJ's that could be outsourced increased. That is a relaxation in scope.
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The 50 seaters now have a hard limit. Delta would keep them until the contracts started to run out in 2018.

The overall block hours of DCI flying has been massively reduced. I don't care how big the aircraft is (50 or 76), there are still only 2 seats up front. This meant an increase in block hours for mainline, and a decrease in DCI, that's improvement.

The previous language was far too lax. There's no way that mainline guys were going to be able to eliminate RJs in one contract. They will take another swipe in 3 years.

I don't know why you guys can't see that this TA is a great thing for those of us trying to leave the regionals.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
The previous language was far too lax. There's no way that mainline guys were going to be able to eliminate RJs in one contract. They will take another swipe in 3 years.

I don't know why you guys can't see that this TA is a great thing for those of us trying to leave the regionals.
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They won't eliminate the RJ in three years either. As long as it's a plane that management wants around, it'll be here.
 
Baronman said:
They won't eliminate the RJ in three years either. As long as it's a plane that management wants around, it'll be here.
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Not completely, but they will hopefully be able to take another swipe at them. Small improvements over time should be the goal, otherwise it will cost too much.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
The 50 seaters now have a hard limit. Delta would keep them until the contracts started to run out in 2018.

The overall block hours of DCI flying has been massively reduced. I don't care how big the aircraft is (50 or 76), there are still only 2 seats up front. This meant an increase in block hours for mainline, and a decrease in DCI, that's improvement.

The previous language was far too lax. There's no way that mainline guys were going to be able to eliminate RJs in one contract. They will take another swipe in 3 years.

I don't know why you guys can't see that this TA is a great thing for those of us trying to leave the regionals.
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You are missing the point. If you hold the Mainline management to 50 seaters in scope they have to put 76 and 90 seaters on their own certificates if they want to fly them. Eventually 50 seaters, its pretty much already happened, will be too uneconomical to fly. At which regionals go away, unless they are props. That is the goal. put almost all of the jobs back on a mainline level. Go from a turbo prop at regional to a jet at mainline. Allowing Major airlines to fly more large jets at the regional level is moving in the opposite direction. How can you not see that!?
 
Pilotforhire587 said:
You are missing the point. If you hold the Mainline management to 50 seaters in scope they have to put 76 and 90 seaters on their own certificates if they want to fly them. Eventually 50 seaters, its pretty much already happened, will be too uneconomical to fly. At which regionals go away, unless they are props. That is the goal. put almost all of the jobs back on a mainline level. Go from a turbo prop at regional to a jet at mainline. Allowing Major airlines to fly more large jets at the regional level is moving in the opposite direction. How can you not see that!?
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To accomplish that goal the Delta guys would have to pay. They wanted a raise, so they compromised. The additional restrictions on scope are valuable. There's NO way the 76 seaters were going away.
 
I think a new feature to JC may be appropriate.

On a non-required basis, any member who is also in a management position with a Company can have a little star in the upper right of their avatar.

That way a member having pilot's interest at mind won't ramble on to someone who likely is not going to agree with them since it is in that individual's best interest that regionals get fat and thrive, especially when they are working for the Super Regional.
 
HA super regional my donkey.

What the hell are we doing here guys. Who cares what Delta is doing?? honestly. Why don't we look at our own damn house. We sit here constantly discussing meaningless crap on internet forums yet we have no action. Jesus Christ we have fully trained and qualified professionals with 60K ro 150k of education and experience flying 50-100 people around at a time for $18,000 a year. Take it back? why did we give it away in the first place. Forgive because I'm new but damn. I was listening to NPR the other day and they had a story on minimum wage. It featured a lady that pushed wheel chairs around at Ohare. Guess what she was on food stamps but made more money than I do.....I never thought I would be excited to start making $28000 or so next year woo hoo! and this is at a "good" regional. Pay your dues??? what are you talking about. Paying your dues is called investing time and money info your qualifications and getting the job. Not getting the job and "paying your dues" for years on end and then completely starting over so you can "pay your dues" at another regional or airline. This system is so messed up and broken its not even funny. Seriously, I mean that in the most non- waaaa waaa crying in my beer sort of way. I knew the pay before I started. Fair enough. Shame on me. I'm so far away form a Delta Job It just doesn't matter tome right now. Do I care about the industry getting better. Yes. But It's frustrating to know you work at a level (the regionals) where everyone only views it as a stepping stone therefore they somehow justify in their minds this ludicrous lifestyle of "paying your dues" and living like transient Gypsies on less than wheel chair attendant wages.
 
DenverPilot8 said:
HA super regional my donkey.

What the hell are we doing here guys. Who cares what Delta is doing?? honestly. Why don't we look at our own damn house. We sit here constantly discussing meaningless crap on internet forums yet we have no action. Jesus Christ we have fully trained and qualified professionals with 60K ro 150k of education and experience flying 50-100 people around at a time for $18,000 a year. Take it back? why did we give it away in the first place. Forgive because I'm new but damn. I was listening to NPR the other day and they had a story on minimum wage. It featured a lady that pushed wheel chairs around at Ohare. Guess what she was on food stamps but made more money than I do.....I never thought I would be excited to start making $28000 or so next year woo hoo! and this is at a "good" regional. Pay your dues??? what are you talking about. Paying your dues is called investing time and money info your qualifications and getting the job. Not getting the job and "paying your dues" for years on end and then completely starting over so you can "pay your dues" at another regional or airline. This system is so messed up and broken its not even funny. Seriously, I mean that in the most non- waaaa waaa crying in my beer sort of way. I knew the pay before I started. Fair enough. Shame on me. I'm so far away form a Delta Job It just doesn't matter tome right now. Do I care about the industry getting better. Yes. But It's frustrating to know you work at a level (the regionals) where everyone only views it as a stepping stone therefore they somehow justify in their minds this ludicrous lifestyle of "paying your dues" and living like transient Gypsies on less than wheel chair attendant wages.
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I think we would all agree with you but the fact is that it is a broken system, and it will stay that way until we fix it... You can't fix it in your own houses unless we all work together to achieve common goals. I guaran-damn-tee you that Uniteds management is going to look at Delta's contract and say, they liked this, you will too. You can't do it alone.
 
mastermags said:
I'm still waiting for those all those 700's from Eagle and Horizon we were supposed to get... but I'll settle for the ones we lost to Gojet back.
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Well, we lost 8 700s to GoJet earlier this year. Today we are set to receive 6 CR9s and 3 CR7s. So we got back all that we lost plus 1.


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Looks like DTW is going to still suck for me. But I wonder how the people bidding for DTW will feel after 2 months of trying that commute and how bad it is.
 
89-LX said:
Looks like DTW is going to still suck for me. But I wonder how the people bidding for DTW will feel after 2 months of trying that commute and how bad it is.
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Well, I'm coming in from somewhere other than Atlanta. It's still going to suck though. There's another dude in my city who commutes to DTW. He confirmed that it sucks. I just hope it's better than Atlanta.
 
I've heard the horror stories of the ATL-DTW commute. Typical hub to hub stuff. 80 seats open on a 777 the night before and oversold when you get to the gate, 2 leg commutes when AirTran is oversold too, uncommutable trips causing plenty of nights spent in the crew lounge, then show up at the gate at o dark thirty to find a conga line of pilots waiting to list for the jumpseat to ATL.

But besides the large loss of personal time at home, the base is awesome. Young, very sociable crews, great flying on great equipment.


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