Ari Ben Aviator, Inc Diminishing Threads

MFT1Air

MFT1Air

Mfalme Soleimani
OK, is it me or am I seeing a diminishing amount of threads from Ari Ben? As it still is my number one choice right now for attendance, am I to be concerned about the possible collusion among any individuals with influence to encourage others not post about activities ongoing at the organization, or is it that individuals are simply too busy flying to post?

Inquiring minds wish to know.
 
I don't want to post anything anymore because it seems like anytime anyone posts anything, the same two guys come on here and shoot everything down. There is very little 'freedom of speech' on the Aviator thread anymore.

I will go on record to say this... I don't know what the two other guys are doing with their aviation careers now... nor do I care, but I went through the Aviator program, got a great instructor, did pretty well for myself, got all my ratings, instructed for a few months and finished it up by getting an awesome job at an awesome airline.

I LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF IT!! I got exactly what I was told by Mike when I toured the school. I saw the planes, saw the building, met the staff, saw the housing, looked through the training syllabus, checked out the MX hangar... I knew what I was getting into!! No visions of grandeur here!!

If I had to do it all over again, I would do it over just the same... with a few minor exceptions(i wouldn't have worked on the building). I had the best time of my life over there!!

in closing, I am in no way, shape or form receiving monetary contributions from the school, or Mike. I haven't bumped anyone from an airplane(since I left at least), I am not typing under someone elses name, I have never not been me, all rights reserved, copyright 2007... etc etc etc,
 
"the same two guys come on here and shoot everything down. There is very little 'freedom of speech' on the Aviator thread anymore"

Oh BS...

So you're gonna let a couple guys dictate how you post here? If it gets out of hand the mods will take care of it otherwise it's all fair game. Free speech is what this site is about. They say something you don't agree with you almost owe it to yourself to speak up. I sure as heck would.

Freedom of speech is what you make of it. If you don't try...it ain't gonna happen...
 
Gonzorox said:
I don't want to post anything anymore because it seems like anytime anyone posts anything, the same two guys come on here and shoot everything down. There is very little 'freedom of speech' on the Aviator thread anymore.
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Well, I've got to shoot this down because it's a factually incorrect statement.

I created the forum to give you guys a place to discuss particular issues.

It's NOT meant as a bitchfest where people rant and rave without a basic attempt to seek an agreeable resolution.

It's NOT meant as an aviation "Pravda" where the politburo sets the tone and enforces party opinion.

Not that you're guilty of this, but screaming "Joe Jackson the CFI EATS BABIES! Don't even convince me otherwise, I know he does!" and expecting no rebuttal from the affected party is unrealistic.

It's a forum:

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Not one of these:

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I created the forum to give you guys a place to discuss particular issues.
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I believe many have forgotten this. I won't belabor legal ramifications or anything in that arena, but perceptions, issues, or concerns should always be discussed professionally that individuals become enlightened. Many of the posts pro & con from Aviator members leaned me in the direction of attending. Yep, there were "cons" as well; heck, no system is perfect; no system is without fault or without needing improvement.

For whatever reason, when the pipe of communication is closed, I tend to retreat into the area of concern/apprehension or reluctance because of that lack of information.

What better source of information than from those who've attended be it pro or con, incisive or distorted, neutral or biased. I'm smart enough to make my own informed decision. More data does help though.
 
I'm with Neil on this, great experience. I don't think he was meaning that we are censored Mr Taylor, I think what he was saying is that the same few will cry all over a thread in the same predictable manner anytime someone says something positive. I tend to agree with this. I'm not saying that it is not their right to do so, or that they should even be discouraged to say what they feel...I just get tired head reading it. Consequently, I post less often.

I hope that everyone has as wonderful an experience as I did at Aviator.
 
I won't belabor legal ramifications or anything in that arena, but perceptions, issues, or concerns should always be discussed professionally that individuals become enlightened.
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If that's the way you feel then the Aviator, is going to a rough ride for you. Management does not see this forum as a place to discuss the pros and cons of the school. Their aim is to censor this forum through intimidation and make sure that only the pros are discussed. Thats kind of a shame because for many guys, like Gonzorox, Aviator worked out okay. The school has many pros. They CAN'T tell you the cons of the school though; that would be taken as a personal attack by management and something very nasty could happen. Hell, when I was a student I made criticisms on this forum and had a $5000 put on my head.

For whatever reason, when the pipe of communication is closed, I tend to retreat into the area of concern/apprehension or reluctance because of that lack of information.
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Most important thing I've learned in aviation is to trust your instincts, 90% of the time they are right.

What better source of information than from those who've attended be it pro or con, incisive or distorted, neutral or biased. I'm smart enough to make my own informed decision. More data does help though.
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Well Mike, you might want to chew on that one!
 
Sigh.

As far as I know, they've only requested that one thread be removed because it contained some personal insults and the personal material in question was removed (it was bad, trust me) but the rest of the thread went on.

Accused of censorship yet again...
 
"I just get tired head reading it. Consequently, I post less often"

Then you're being a whimp and letting guys like FF, who you disagree with, win without a fight. Suit yourself, but that's not how I'd play it. Your opinion, as someone who's been there, is what people want to see.

I don't mean this as a personal attack but if you believe in something you need to speak up.

JC shouldn't be blamed, one way or another, for how this forum plays out. I've been around here long enough to know that for a fact.
 
My time is more valuable than to bang my head against a wall constantly. I am not going to let anyone effect my opinions or my actions. I am also not going to rehash the same thing over and over and over. If people have questions, please pm me. If I happen to see a posted question that I may have some insight on, I will respond.
 
A lot of folks on here take the responses too personally.

If somebody rebuts your response with "...but they are the worst school ever!! You'll see!!" Then you have several choices:

1. Ignore it.
2. Rebut with facts from your personal experience.
3. Allow the forum viewer to make up their own mind after reading the posts.

Pissing contests in these type of forums are equivelent to "liquid" confidence... if you know what I mean. There is an air of anonymity that allows folks to take discussions beyond the professional realm that they would otherwise say if if they were speaking face to face with you.

Regardless... reading a post that you disagree with and doing nothing, is just not right... and certainly not in the spirit of this board... if... you want to be a contributing member.

As far as "rehashing" the same thing over and over... I've only been a member of this board for a few years... and I've probably answered the same questions and had the same arguements dozen's of times. You just have to remember... that to you it may be incesant "rehashing" but the the guy or gal who just registered and is looking to this forums members for advice... it is a fresh and new perspecitve that they have yet to hear.

After all... how many times do you think Doug has been asked the same questions... over... and over... and over... again? ;)

Bob
 
Thanks guys. It's nice to see a steady flow of refreshing, incisive posts. . .in between the hiccup of the ever infrequent "idiot" ones.

Life is good. Thanks for the perspective.
 
I don't mean that anyone is Censored by the forum or doug... I mean that anytime anyone wants some information about the school the same guys come on here and just spew out the negativity. They also spew out the negativity when current and former students come on here and say good things about the school. By my saying "Freedom of Speech", i was more poking at FF's dumb assed avatar "Free Speech Zone"... it's such a 'free speech zone' that whatshisnuts brought up a personal incident that happened to me years ago! So now everyone and their e6b spinning buddies knows that I got arrested 10 years ago!! And this was lash back because I said "I wish everyone were as smart as Gonzo" Real nice!

And 727ups... I thought you were a little more level headed than calling us WHIMPS! Lowery nailed it on the head... we don't have the time to constantly get involved in "no it's not/yes it is, no it's not/yes it is, no it's not/yes it is," arguments with the same sour apple. Most of us former students are out enjoying the careers we worked very hard at the Aviator to earn.

I have great things to say about the school, I have bad things to say as well, but I'm not gonna bring them up in every single post.



MFT1Air said:
Thanks guys. It's nice to see a steady flow of refreshing, incisive posts. . .in between the hiccup of the ever infrequent "idiot" ones.
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I hope that wasn't directed at me. And to answer your original question, I think MOST every former student is too busy flying to post.
 
I mean that anytime anyone wants some information about the school the same guys come on here and just spew out the negativity. They also spew out the negativity when current and former students come on here and say good things about the school.
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Sorry, but the deal here is that I get to express my opinions, just as you get to express yours. Yes, my overall experience of Aviator, was negative. I'm just giving my side of the story. Judging by the number of hits on threads that I post on, other people are interested in my opinions. Contoversial threads are ALWAYS the most popular. The fact that I keep posting kind of shows just how strongly I feel. If you don't have time to post anymore, I guess I'll say, so long then and you can leave me to it!

By my saying "Freedom of Speech", i was more poking at FF's dumb assed avatar "Free Speech Zone"... it's such a 'free speech zone' that whatshisnuts brought up a personal incident that happened to me years ago!
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Poking fun at the dumb assed avatar? The joke seems to be going over my head, it's lost on me. I didn't bring up your personal incident and the guy who did, admitted that it was wrong to do it. I don't have any problem with you as a person Gonzorox. I've not used personal attacks on students and instructors even if I don't like what they say. Free speech has it's boundries!

And to answer your original question, I think MOST every former student is too busy flying to post.
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I disagree. There are plenty of pilots out there with plenty of time on their hands. If there wasn't, forums like Jetcareers, and Flightinfo would be a waste of time. Students have the time to read the threads. Look at the hit count on the threads. Problem is that they are too scared to post balanced opinions because it might make the owner mad.
 
"I don't mean that anyone is Censored by the forum or doug... I mean that anytime anyone wants some information about the school the same guys come on here and just spew out the negativity"

Well, welcome to the internet. If you don't take the time, the other guy wins. That would bother me.
 
You know what... you guys take this way too seriously!

The original poster asked "am I to be concerned about the possible collusion among any individuals with influence to encourage others not post about activities ongoing at the organization"... I posted MY response to this legitimate question.

Free speech zone!
 
If it gets out of hand. . . and you're a student there. . . I'd tell them to kiss your rump as you walk out the door to find somewhere else to give your money to.

There is no place for this type of customer service in the training environment. Not when people are spending hard earned cash (either their own, or mommy and daddy's, whatever) for training. You still are the customer.
 
DE727UPS said:
"I don't mean that anyone is Censored by the forum or doug... I mean that anytime anyone wants some information about the school the same guys come on here and just spew out the negativity"

Well, welcome to the internet. If you don't take the time, the other guy wins. That would bother me.
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Thanks.

You, too, have a free tour from me at Johnson Space Center. . . once the drama subsides.:o
 
Hey Mr. Lowery, how is everything going with training? Haven't seen you or Paul around the crew room yet so I'm guessing ur both still in training having fun in the sims..............NOT!!!
 
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