Hootie
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Wise words. I don't see the law changing, and that's a good thing.
Are the regionals angling for a repeal of the ATP rule?
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Wise words. I don't see the law changing, and that's a good thing.
flightduck
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Screaming_Emu
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surreal1221
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jtrain609 said:
Come on now. It's about the STORY not the FACTS!
WAFlyBoy
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Nonetheless, market activity suggests that the shareholders view this as significant. RJET shares are down almost 9% from the opening bell yesterday, representing a decease of about $38.5 million in firm value.
H46Bubba
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They're not just against the RAA now, they're going to have to counter the A4A as well. The majors know that the pool of qualified pilots will dry up at the regional level and the so called "pilot shortage" will eventually make it's way to the major airline level. They don't want to have to raise pay, just as the regionals don't want to raise pay to attract pilots. Enough time has passed since the Colgan crash, that politicians and the public won't really notice. Politicians need airline service to their small towns and when the regionals can't staff or the majors pull out due to not wanting to operate larger gauge aircraft on unprofitable routes, they'll do whatever it takes to keep that service.
ScorpionStinger
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Do whatever it takes to keep, or bring that service...... You mean like this?
http://www.news10.com/story/24681056/schumer-brings-jetblue-to-the-capital-region
02/10/2014... "ALBANY, N.Y.—Senator Charles Schumer joined airport and local officials on Monday to call on JetBlue Airlines to establish a first-ever presence in the Capital Region.
According to Schumer, presence of JetBlue in the Capital Region would boost competition and availability of low-cost flights from Albany to JetBlue destinations
After the Government approved the recent merger of U.S. Air and American Airlines, low cost players like Jet Blue were given coveted slots so they could fly out of new places like Albany."
Classic PR response.
"A spokeswoman with Jet Blue said that while they don't have immediate plans to come to Albany, they are strongly considering the senator's proposal.
"While we don't have any immediate plans to serve Albany," said Jenny Dervin, vice president, corporate communications, "we are strongly considering Senator Schumer's proposal."
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
The shareholders are over reacting and artificially deflating rjet's stock price.
It'll bounce back.
ScorpionStinger
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We live in the United States of Amnesia!
Politicians and media need to realize the old days of cheap tickets are numbered. Unions need to realize that the politicians will side with the general population anytime the POLLS tell them they can increase favorability. It's all PR! PR! PR
Tip for Pilot Union leaders today is February 12th 2014... On Feb 12th 2009 Colgan 3047 Crashed! That's 5 years ago today! (RIP to those who lost their lives and family members).
Get all the Colgan victim family in front of t.v. news cameras (women and children in the front) weeping. A congressman or two in the mix, stating "were going to continue the fight for those who lost their lives when Colgan 3407 fell from the sky. We are going to fight to keep the sky's over our houses, schools, and communities safe."
All that talk of gutting the 1500hr rule will cease and decease.
Politicians and media need to realize the old days of cheap tickets are numbered. Unions need to realize that the politicians will side with the general population anytime the POLLS tell them they can increase favorability. It's all PR! PR! PR
Tip for Pilot Union leaders today is February 12th 2014... On Feb 12th 2009 Colgan 3047 Crashed! That's 5 years ago today! (RIP to those who lost their lives and family members).
Get all the Colgan victim family in front of t.v. news cameras (women and children in the front) weeping. A congressman or two in the mix, stating "were going to continue the fight for those who lost their lives when Colgan 3407 fell from the sky. We are going to fight to keep the sky's over our houses, schools, and communities safe."
All that talk of gutting the 1500hr rule will cease and decease.
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Autothrust Blue
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re: the question in the topic line: no (deleted), of course they want a repeal of the 1500/1000 for Riddle Rats rule. Supply and demand.
I think you're right. I reserve comment on the effectiveness of the various solutions to the public policy problems, but generally, you're right.
The streams of a public policy problem (regional airplanes falling from the sky! doom!), a public policy solution (HR5900 and its various changes, including the ATP rule and Part 117), and the public willpower, made these changes. It'll be difficult to undo them. As far as I'm concerned, there is currently no public policy problem (competently-run airlines are handling their irregular operations no worse than this time of year last year), there isn't a solution, and there also isn't currently public willpower to make any changes.
Keep in mind, too, that the Colgan families are a "high power, high image" group; IMO, even the deep pockets of the RAA are a poor match for trying to lobby against that, as you describe.
I think there was, at one time, widespread hope that the various changes would be softened, modified, otherwise watered down. Hell, I had a highly-placed member of SAPA EB tell me that he expected to see Part 117 pushed back. I resisted the urge to laugh; any such assertion is at best a dubious interpretation of facts and is really a serious misapprehension of the political situation.
I'll forgive you on really meaning to say "desist," and concentrate on the politics.
I think you're right. I reserve comment on the effectiveness of the various solutions to the public policy problems, but generally, you're right.
The streams of a public policy problem (regional airplanes falling from the sky! doom!), a public policy solution (HR5900 and its various changes, including the ATP rule and Part 117), and the public willpower, made these changes. It'll be difficult to undo them. As far as I'm concerned, there is currently no public policy problem (competently-run airlines are handling their irregular operations no worse than this time of year last year), there isn't a solution, and there also isn't currently public willpower to make any changes.
Keep in mind, too, that the Colgan families are a "high power, high image" group; IMO, even the deep pockets of the RAA are a poor match for trying to lobby against that, as you describe.
I think there was, at one time, widespread hope that the various changes would be softened, modified, otherwise watered down. Hell, I had a highly-placed member of SAPA EB tell me that he expected to see Part 117 pushed back. I resisted the urge to laugh; any such assertion is at best a dubious interpretation of facts and is really a serious misapprehension of the political situation.
block30
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Yes, this. A harbinger of things to come. Seems like cutting off one's nose to spite their face by not working towards sustainable pilot *and* mechanic compensation.
Cazadores
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I think more likely all these FAA certificate holding Asian pilots U.S. CFIs are building time training will be issued work visas, returning to the States with thousands of hours in Boeings and willing to work for less than their former instructors with a thousand hours of single engine dual given time and some RJ SIC.
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Firebird2XC
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Fun fact: The Eagle MEC shot down the concessionary AIP on the 5th anniversary of Colgan 3407. I totally missed it. Kinda tickles me.
The anniversary of a plane crash tickles you? Holy crap.
crazyjaydawg
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Why do people think that cabotage will really take off?
Last time I checked most foreign carriers employ American and European pilots that would jump at the chance to fly for an airline based at home rather than play career roulette at with some middle eastern carrier.
Maybe there's something about this supply and demand thing that I don't understand, but I don't really know where foreign carriers will get all their pilots from either. I can see some Americans getting SJS and wanting to fly the latest and greatest A350/B787/A380/B747 but international carriers won't find it worth their trouble to even try most domestic routes that A4A and RAA carriers currently do. Whatever I guess I'm not much of a chicken little type.
Last time I checked most foreign carriers employ American and European pilots that would jump at the chance to fly for an airline based at home rather than play career roulette at with some middle eastern carrier.
Maybe there's something about this supply and demand thing that I don't understand, but I don't really know where foreign carriers will get all their pilots from either. I can see some Americans getting SJS and wanting to fly the latest and greatest A350/B787/A380/B747 but international carriers won't find it worth their trouble to even try most domestic routes that A4A and RAA carriers currently do. Whatever I guess I'm not much of a chicken little type.
Maurus
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"The call center equivalent of flying." It seriously does get some people thinking.
Nat E. Dred
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You just gave Doug Parker wood.