AOPA Petition Against User Fees

I should have added...

I understand the other side of the argument.. which could also be safety with so many other planes in the air or GA running around...it's going to get super crowded. I guess their view is they only want commercial or military in the air.

they are using landing fees that already scare people away..maybe some airports could show "no general avaition" or vfr aircraft unless an emergency..

I dunno just thinking outloud but I think the user fee creates more damage to the economy/safety/future of aviation in the US. This industry is taxed more than cigarettes :P (should be the other way around lol..)

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***thanks for posting that AOPA link! spread it around people!***
 
Velocipede said:
Where's the petition FOR user fees?
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I question your logic. You as a pilot for a legacy airline will not reap the benefit of user fees.

The only people who would, would be airline management padding their bottom line, and getting bigger bonuses.

If you had to gain by user fees, I might maybe understand you wanting to lift the ladder to the treehouse. As it stands now, sorry, but I don't!

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Matthew_Chidester said:
mand since training is so expensive and *MAYBE* wages would go up.

Just rich kids could afford training (seems like that way now..) but.. I don't think airlines wouldn't mind outsourcing jobs so if there was any benefit to user fees it would be short lived.
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I agree with the safety issue, that is my primary reason to be against user fees.

"You don't want to pay, don't file IFR" is a typical argument, and a deadly one at that. Well, the weather seems okay. We can get away with just going VFR right? After all we are already paying out of our ass for gas. Hello, controlled flight into terrain.

As far as that quote.. I am already finding it excessively difficult to break into aviation coming from a background of abject poverty. I will be very sad the day aviation becomes completely out of touch for the everyday person.

If ANYTHING, user fees will have ONLY the weekend warriors flying doctor killers buzzing around. They can afford their fun. The typical poor kid like myself who has a dream of aviation, and is motivated and dedicated to becoming a good pilot, will be stuck on the ground.
 
JDMcFly, how can you be so selfish!?! I can't believe that you would balk at sacrificing your dreams so that someone who has already lived their dream (and only has 10 years left in thier career) will be about to negotiate for another 2 bucks an hour on their next contract!
 
lol :) ok that was funny...

yeah i'm with ya JDMcFly i'm struggling too to get there.. hang in there!
 
Matthew_Chidester said:
I should have added...

I understand the other side of the argument.. which could also be safety with so many other planes in the air or GA running around...it's going to get super crowded. I guess their view is they only want commercial or military in the air.

they are using landing fees that already scare people away..maybe some airports could show "no general avaition" or vfr aircraft unless an emergency..

I dunno just thinking outloud but I think the user fee creates more damage to the economy/safety/future of aviation in the US. This industry is taxed more than cigarettes :P (should be the other way around lol..)

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***thanks for posting that AOPA link! spread it around people!***
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They basically already do, just not in writing. Ever try and get a touch and go or full stop into MCO, JFK, IND, LGA etc. during rush hour. If the controllers can't handle your VFR sightseeing flight they ask you to leave the airspace. I like to think these controllers know what they're doing and do it well. And your right, its not like VFR pilots are going to use the service and it's still going to be a nuisance to Velocipede. However it will be one that, unlike IFR pilots, can't be ID'd or controlled out of the way by ATC, which is yet another way user fees make no sense at all.
 
Velocipede said:
Why do you find the "idea" that you should pay for the ATC services you use insulting? You pay for gas. You pay for groceries
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And I paid for ATC services with my taxes.

You want to tax me twice for them.

That's ridiculous.

By the way, you're welcome for your free training. I paid for it, too.
 
The proposed user fee solution doesn't seem like a hill that we start sliding down. All it takes is a little education and searching.
 
well i think the argument against user fees has tottaly won out here! there have been absolutely no arguments for user fees other than "getting rid of all the beachcombers in socal..." whatever the hell that means. lol
 
SkyCougar said:
Yeah, we all came over here about the same time. You can blame me for inviting him and many others over to this fine site. Your point is?
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There is no point, is funny just that. Listen I don't want to start a fight, ok?

But it'll be great if you would make a comment on the next post, that was addressed to you:

Mariano said:
I don't know what's your involvement with aviation, but I suppose that you are either a pro-pilot, a GA pilot, or are interested in becoming one of the two (or both).

Regardless, you should inform you self about this issue, because it is something that WILL have a serious effect in your plans. At least, of course, that you can spare $20,000 in a PPL or over 100.000 in a commercial.

And don't expect to have a lot of work as CFI, because there won't be as many schools as there are now, or many new students around to teach.

As a matter of fact, the traditional way of building hours instructing will be gone for ever, and it will be replaced by the "Gulfstream" method.

Exciting, isn't it?
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Mariano said:
There is no point, is funny just that. Listen I don't want to start a fight, ok?

But it'll be great if you would make a comment on the next post, that was addressed to you:
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I had no intention of starting a fight Mariano. I merely wondered what point you were making by commenting about our close registration dates.

As far as your comment, as I said, I really haven't formed any opinion yet whatsoever about this topic because I don't know enough about the issue yet. I really try not to spout off about an issue until I feel well-informed about it. I can tell you though that I'm definitely pro-pilot (not me...LOL) but just pro-pilot, as opposed to anti-pilot! I work in the travel biz, but I don't fly the planes. I do want to learn how to fly seaplanes though!...and ya know, it just dawned on me whether or not a plane that lands on the water will be charged a user fee! Now I guess there is another reason why I must learn to fly a seaplane! :)
 
Alright folks, take a prozac or something, geez!

Every time you guys squabble, someone parboils a Florida manatee and serves it over spotted owl, sliced on the bias.
 
I gotta agree with Velocipede on this one. I, for one, think it would clean up the streets if we started charging all these freeloaders who drive on public roads. I wouldn't have to worry about some low-class scum with no insurance plowing into me, if we simply charged them off the roads.

While we are at it, why the hell don't we start charging people for the public library? I hate, that every time I go in there, some little kid is grabbing my copy of The Pet Goat before I get to it. We should charge those little bastards to kingdom come, and hopefully, that will get rid of them.
 
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