"Any Traffic, Please Advise"

[CFI A&P]

Here's the problem I have with ATITPPA:

My non-towered home drome has a busy fixed wing school, and a busy rotorcraft school. Operating on two parallel runways. Both sides make appropriate radio calls as needed which works well in the pattern and for those inbound that monitor CTAF before making the initial call.

But when the inbound aircraft bursts in with "BFE Airport traffic, Space Shuttle Atlantis is 55 miles out, inbound for landing, any traffic in the pattern please advise, BFE airport...". The radio is now full of static, squeals and noises because every aircraft is going to respond to the request. Followed by the dozen or so calls asking to repeat because it was blocked. So the radio is absolutely useless for the next five minutes.

That's the problem with "Any traffic blah blah blah..."

 

[Itchy]

Can we have a "Checking in" or "On Board with You" thread next? Please? Pretty Please?
FTR, I am firmly in Zaps ball game.

 

[Hacker15e]

220 seems excessively fast in the pattern regardless of the airplane.

250 is my normal radar pattern speed in the T-38...and that is "excessively" anything, it actually seems kinda slow at times (that's 10 knots above gear speed....).

 

[Okie_Pilot]

Not so easy to do when you are flying a pattern at 220 knots in a restricted visibility aircraft.

I agree, it's not necessary, but honestly... why do you care?

If it's not necessary, then why do you do it? It's not standard phraseology and your most likely not going to get anything out of anybody if you are not a factor to them. Some of us that live on 122.8 and fly cross country get tired of hearing it.


Take this example. Let's say I'm patrolling down a powerline at 65 AGL 4 miles out paralleling the runway and I hear

"BFE traffic, Citation 220KT five miles out, two thousand five hundreed, inbound landing, BFE"

He's not a factor for me, and I'm not a factor for him. There's no reason I need to clog the radio frequency with my position, altitude, what I'm doing, where I'm going, I'll be looking for you, blah blah blah...

and

"BFE traffic, Citation 220KT five miles out, two thousand five hundred, inbound landing, any traffic in the area please advise, BFE"


Why would I need to advise? If your in a Citation 65 AGL on top of a powerline 4 miles out, your probably crashing... There's no reason to add this nonsense on the end of a transmission. If I see you as a possible factor or vice versa, then I will announce my position and my intentions.

He's not a factor to me, and I'm not a factor to him. No need to advise him of my business.

Sedona traffic, Lancair 56DS taking the active runway 3. Any traffic please advise. Sedona.

So that's wrong? :crazy:

Well, I personally have never been a fan of the "active runway" term. Whatever runway Billy Bob taxis onto is now active, if you use the adjacent runway, then it is also active. Every time I hear somebody call up and ask for the "active runway" at an uncontrolled airfield I always say to myself "It's whatever runway you wanna use. Just find out which way the wind is blowing and you'll probably be in pretty good shape."

 

[drunkenbeagle]

It is a stupid waste of time call. When I hear traffic inbound, I call out the type and position of everyone likely to be a factor - when you have jump planes and tugs working, trust me - we know where everyone is.

What ticks me off more is piston twins flying 6 mile bomber patterns. If you are gonna pull that crap - let me know so I can cut in front...

 

[pullup]

I do it any chance I get just so I can piss people off.

 

[gne in prog]

I only make one call at an uncontrolled field, "35 miles out, straight in runway xx, any other traffic, stay out of my way"

I don't follow it up with anything beyond that as I don't want to clutter the freq.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

Since we're all airing our radio grievances (and it's not even Festivus) I'll add mine.

I hate it when people say "Wind check". Look Lindbergh -- the airplane doesn't know it's windy. If you run out of rudder and you're still drifting you'll know it's too much wind.

I hate it when someone is number 2...3...4...etc in line and calls tower "ready in sequence". Seriously? What do you expect him to do? Clear you to taxi over them, monster-truck style, and then cleared for an immediate??

Worse, people who call "ready in sequence" when they're number one! In sequence with who? Who are you trying to impress with your mastery of aviation lexicon?

Finally, if you are cleared into position and hold (or line up and wait) and you reply, "Pull it out and hold it" ... you are a tool. Chances are your coworkers think you're a tool too, they're just too nice to tell you about it.

Don't be that guy.

 

[KSCessnaDriver]

You know, I used to know the exact paragraph in the AIM that ATITPA is in, and would quote it to people. Then I realized its worthless to try, so I gave up. If you're in a hurry, I just slow my speed down to 0 and wait.

Personally, I'm waiting on the day I can work an "I'm eastbound and down" call in my UNICOM calls.

 

[Boris Badenov]

I hate it when people say "Wind check". Look Lindbergh -- the airplane doesn't know it's windy. If you run out of rudder and you're still drifting you'll know it's too much wind.]

Nice to know what to expect when you actually arrive at the runway...as I'm sure you're aware, it can change radically in those last few hundred feet. Also nice to know what the gusts are doing. I don't do this regularly, but if it's gusty, I sometimes will. So there!

I hate it when someone is number 2...3...4...etc in line and calls tower "ready in sequence". Seriously? What do you expect him to do? Clear you to taxi over them, monster-truck style, and then cleared for an immediate??

I suppose the notion is that the tower will then know you're ready in case you get too busy to say so later, or something. I don't do this one, but to each their own.

Worse, people who call "ready in sequence" when they're number one! In sequence with who? Who are you trying to impress with your mastery of aviation lexicon?

Yeah that one is kind of irritating.

Don't be that guy.

Oh, agreed.

 

[drunkenbeagle]

Nice to know what to expect when you actually arrive at the runway...as I'm sure you're aware, it can change radically in those last few hundred feet. Also nice to know what the gusts are doing. I don't do this regularly, but if it's gusty, I sometimes will. So there!

I've been known to ask when it is gusty too - this one is fine, you are only a tool when you do it every time.

I only seem to hear it from tail#'s that ask evey time.

Last time I did, landing 36 winds 270 22g32 in a 206. Good to know. "can we get 27??? "negative, 36L is the calm wind.". Thanks guys

 

[pullup]

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Personally, I'm waiting on the day I can work an "I'm eastbound and down" call in my UNICOM calls.

Are you Kenny F'in Powers!!!!?

Lol

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Since we're all airing our radio grievances (and it's not even Festivus) I'll add mine.

I hate it when people say "Wind check". Look Lindbergh -- the airplane doesn't know it's windy. If you run out of rudder and you're still drifting you'll know it's too much wind.

Be glad that you don't spend a lot of time flying into ATL, then. Or JFK. Or CVG. Or SLC. See what I'm getting at? I've become firmly convinced that all Deltoid newhires go through sim training with an instructor who whacks them on the knuckles with a ruler every time they do an approach without saying "wind check."

No offense, Doug.

 

[KSCessnaDriver]

Are you Kenny F'in Powers!!!!?

Lol

That's a negative. Think Smokey & the Bandit

 

[Blip16]

it's like deja-vu! http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/31125-traffic-area-please-advise.html

 

[MikeD]

it's like deja-vu! http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/31125-traffic-area-please-advise.html

Thats why I told the OP in my first response to him regarding his "crusade" he was going on.........that group of crusading troops launched on their mission long, long ago...

 

[Homa Bird]

and love how sometimes people lie about their location too... "on final for rwy 18" and maybe couple seconds later "short final rwy 18" but they are really are like 5-10 miles out

 

[dasleben]

250 is my normal radar pattern speed in the T-38...and that is "excessively" anything, it actually seems kinda slow at times (that's 10 knots above gear speed....).

Sigh...yes, short-winged supersonic military aircraft are excepted from my comment.

 

[stesta5074]

This thread is going to make me self-conscious about my radio calls. I think I'll just shut the radios off

 

[inigo88]

I think you guys are missing the point. I learned to fly at a pretty busy uncontrolled single-runway airport. On a busy weekend we'd have 5 or so flight school aircraft staying in the pattern doing touch and gos, a helicopter school, J-3s and Stearmans with no radios co-mingling in the pattern, a crazy dude flying an Aircreation ultralight trike, a really crazy dude with a Yak who would dive bomb the field and do high speed low approaches and almost hit everybody at random intervals... then like 8 RV-6s would show up in formation on some EAA $100 hamburger run and start doing overhead breaks completely disregarding everyone else in the pattern and... you get the idea. Everyone knew exactly where the instrument approach corridors were and expected that a Lear, Citation or King Air could blaze straight in at any moment and we were happy to accommodate with extended downwinds or slow flight or 360s... they were the least of our problems!

Hence Zap in the Lear or Bob in the CRJ asking for traffic advisories after a late frequency change from ATC, or Pat in the BE99 trying to rouse other OOTSK members out of their fatigue-induced delirium in the dead of night, is hardly the crowd this thread should be targeting.

Instead I am talking to you • in the Bonanza... who calls in 15 miles out on a straight in to the opposite runway and not only fails to listen to the CTAF for even just a few seconds out of sheer laziness, but blocks like 5 traffic calls in the process of saying "Uhhhhhhh any traffic in the area please advise." and then the ensuing seconds of a bunch of people keying up at once and blocking each other. That always seemed to happen when I was on the 45 and two or three other people had just called up reporting exactly the same position... and now the CTAF is tied up so I can't key up and try and sort out the conflict............ Thanks a lot. :whatever:


(Don't get me wrong I still love that airport and I've flown NORDO at uncontrolled fields before and see and avoid is the name of the game, CTAF is an extra luxury. But if you can't exercise brevity in situations where common sense would dictate you should then you're rendering the CTAF useless not only for the local traffic but for the other 7 airports nearby that share the frequency.)

Far worse than the "any traffic" thing, is the:

"XXX traffic, N123 5 miles north for landing, going to enter a left downwind for RW5"

"Hey Jed, is that you???"

"Yeah! Who's this?!?"

"Billy Bob here man, how you doing brother?!?! Where you comin in from?"

etc, etc, etc and non-stop.

These guys are the WORST!!!

Oh and whoever thinks it's clever to cut off Dale... or any other aerial firefighting aircraft hauling ass back to the field to pick up more retardant... there is a special place in hell for you. Just sayin'.