Okie_Pilot
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"Any Traffic, Please Advise"
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Bumblebee
Commodore
We all know that radio communications can cut the unknown risk down to a very small percentage, we are in the risk management business, after all.
Okie_Pilot
Pitts Builder
This is true.
But I have more trust in my eyes looking out the windscreen than I have trust in Billy Joe has a radio in his cub.
If I were to ever fly a plane that does 220kts in the pattern, I would be more occupied and concerned with my eyes out the windscreen to "see and avoid" than I would be to fill up the frequencies with an unnecessary and improper phrase and believing that everybody in the area is going to respond to it.
I'm not saying not to use the radio, but standard phraseology has worked for years before this "Any traffic in the area please advise" signature has been applied to every radio-call for the past handful of years. (Ref. Post #64)
Bumblebee
Commodore
my response was to the CTAF is a luxury response...not the ATITAPA
I agree that if you just pop the button and start talking (without listening for a bit), no matter what you say, you are not part of the solution.
and you can bet I am looking.... you see, I can talk and look at the same time! Even while operating an aircraft!!!! LOL
I agree that if you just pop the button and start talking (without listening for a bit), no matter what you say, you are not part of the solution.
Okie_Pilot
Pitts Builder
Bumblebee
Commodore
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KLB
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Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
Sigh...yes, short-winged supersonic military aircraft are excepted from my comment.
Just doing my part to keep general absolutes like "regardless of the airplane" in check!
Corporate Pilot
Well-Known Member
I know people do not like using “Any traffic please advise” but I go into KGAI several times a year. Potomac approach does not turn you over to the local traffic advisory frequency until you are close to the airport. So my question is what should you say on a late hand off to find out what is in the pattern when you are flying a jet?
ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
Off topic... I can't stand that place.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Yeah sorry, I try to watch out for that. For transport jets with the ability to slow with slats/flaps, 220 in a standard closed pattern is excessive.
Self-announce your position and intention. The pilots that think that your position and intended flight path will have an impact (sic) on them or vice versa will chime in without any additional prompting from you.
Bumblebee
Commodore
if only that were true...I have had to prompt people to speak up, even when I knew they were there...the most recent one I knew they landed and was waiting for a clear of the runway call, we were only 3 miles, it was smokey vis, and we didn't wan to have to go around, I finally got the call when I said we were turning final, and they had been off (according to one of our air attack guys) but just didn't tell us.
inigo88
Composite-lover
You know this seems more like an example of pick your battles. I was constantly discouraged by my CFI from making "Taxiing to the runway", "Taxiing to the ramp" and even "Clearing runway XX" CTAF calls per the recommendations of AIM 4-1-9. I disagreed and continued calling clear of the runway, but her rationale was the person on short final has Mk I eyeballs, and can see that it's clear. Our airport basically should have been a Class D and frequency congestion in the pattern was a huge issue (they've been saying they would build a tower for like five years but they only just got an AWOS-3 last year). Therefore the ground transmissions were redundant because you were in no imminent danger from other aircraft taxiing around the ramp, and saying "N12345 I just ate a really good cheeseburger at the restaurant and now I'm taxiing from the transient parking to the self-serve fuel pumps" renders the frequency unusable with completely worthless and unnecessary information to a bunch of airplanes trying to sequence themselves into the pattern - which is the whole reason the CTAF exists to begin with. To mitigate risk in the air, where the danger of a midair collision far outweighs looking stupid on the ground.
De-conflicting yourself with other ground traffic is easy:
"Hey Cessna exiting runway XX for the ramp go ahead, we'll hold short for you."
"Cool thanks!"
I wasn't there but I wouldn't be so quick to bury the Baron pilot... that's all.
Conversely, I've flown in here a couple times and the only way to depart runway 16 is to back-taxi the full length of the runway. You better believe I make AMPLE taxi calls on CTAF in that case.
averettpilot
Well-Known Member
"Any traffic please advise" doesn't bother me in the slightest. I use it from time to time cause like others have said there are pilots out there who won't say a thing unless you ask them. They'll take your call up as for their info only and you have no idea they are there, unless of course you spot them.
What bugs me far worse, and it seems the OP (or someone) has mentioned that this is not even a recognized radio term, is people saying "1234 in the box, comin' atcha with the flash," or "29.92 in the window," or the infamous ill placed "roger." I don't think you'll find these as recognized radio terms either, except of course for the latter. There are many others out there that I guess people think make them sound cool. The point is, if it gets the intended message across while breaking up the monotony of flight and not sounding like robots all the time, have at it.
What bugs me far worse, and it seems the OP (or someone) has mentioned that this is not even a recognized radio term, is people saying "1234 in the box, comin' atcha with the flash," or "29.92 in the window," or the infamous ill placed "roger." I don't think you'll find these as recognized radio terms either, except of course for the latter. There are many others out there that I guess people think make them sound cool. The point is, if it gets the intended message across while breaking up the monotony of flight and not sounding like robots all the time, have at it.
FlyinSol0
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How many radios you got in that jet? Monitor ctaf in the second comm a few miles out before they switch you?
ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
You don't think we do that? The challenge is doing so when the CTAF frequency covers several airports. Meanwhile we're talking to center, setting up for and briefing the approach, etc
If we can get the picture on Com2 before we get there you can be assured we do so. Oftentimes it is frustratingly busy on frequency and difficult to figure out who is where before we're entering the pattern.
FlyinSol0
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Valid point. Of course, a frustratingly clogged frequency only becomes more so with the atitapa call. With multiple people in the pattern, is the expectation for everyone to key up at once and say their position?
I am just being a jerk, i dont care about the call either way. Although i will advise regardless of the call, if i think we are going to be in conflict.
I am just being a jerk, i dont care about the call either way. Although i will advise regardless of the call, if i think we are going to be in conflict.
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