"Any Traffic, Please Advise"

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MikeD said:
Far worse than the "any traffic" thing, is the:

"XXX traffic, N123 5 miles north for landing, going to enter a left downwind for RW5"

"Hey Jed, is that you???"

"Yeah! Who's this?!?"

"Billy Bob here man, how you doing brother?!?! Where you comin in from?"

etc, etc, etc and non-stop.
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:yeahthat:

This is a pet peeve of mine. Usually this type of banter is accompanied by CB Radio style "trucker" talk as well.
 
My WAG is that the AIM recommendation was aimed at a common pilot problem of talking before listening. On-air conversation like:

Airplane 1: Podunk Traffic. Skyhawk 1234X 3 miles south. Entering on a 45 left downwind Runway 29 Podunk.
Airplane 2: Podunk Traffic. Cherokee 2345Y left downwind Runway 29 Podunk.
Airplane 3: Podunk Traffic. Bonanza 3456Z left base to final Runway 29 Podunk.
Aircraft 4 (immediately upon tuning in the frequency): Podunk Traffic. Gumman 4567A. Ten north. Any traffic please advise.

Gets the pilot no more information than he would have had if he just waited 10 seconds and ties up a relatively busy frequency with a useless (in the context of what is really taking place at the airport) transmission.

I actually heard something like this happen in my first few months as a private pilot. First beautiful day in the spring and everyone and his cousin was flying into Block Island (KBID). People were making position reports but a good number would come on the frequency and say nothing other than the equivalent of "let me know what I would hear if I just shut up and listened for a minute."

It seemed to me to be a bit of a silly over-reaction, though.
 
Yup, I highly doubt anyone that isn't making radio calls would feel inclined to do so once they hear "any traffic please advise". Just a waste of time on a busy frequency.
 
Can we get an AIM reference so people will stop STARTING every radio transmission with AAAAANNNNNDDDD, or when departing stating that they are "taking" the runway, I usually hop on and ask them to leave it as I will need the runway too.

/snicker
 
Dugie8 said:
Can we get an AIM reference so people will stop STARTING every radio transmission with AAAAANNNNNDDDD, or when departing stating that they are "taking" the runway, I usually hop on and ask them to leave it as I will need the runway too.

/snicker
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I personally don't have as much of a problem with improper phraseology than I do of people saying too much on frequency.
 
I see no problem with asking for traffic advisories from fellow pilots when coming into a desolate field and being new to the frequency. If it helps with your situational awareness, why not ask the other guys to tell you where they are?

After every single radio call though... yeah, that would get a little annoying.
 
I think MikeD has an excellent point -- if the ... let's say "hobbyist" aviator would use AIM recommended radio communications in the traffic pattern much of this discussion would solve itself. Start and end transmissions with the airport name -- that way when i'm half-listening while inbound I can identify that we are both going to be operating at the same airport. That in and of itself would be helpful.

Something else that would be nice would be for each FBO to buy a transceiver and not use unicom or CTAF. I always hate to do it, but i'm guilty of plugging up frequencies by calling on 122.8 to say, "Podunk Aviation, Learjet 12345. We're a Learjet 45, be there in 10 minutes dropping off 5 passengers and remaining overnight. There should be a rental car for Mr. Smith. We'll advise fuel on the ground"
 
Here's another plane apparently not built with radios ...

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KSCessnaDriver said:
So then what do you do with planes without radios?
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we drop retardant on their windscreen....
KSCessnaDriver said:
God forbid a NORDO plane get in the pattern with you.
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OH NOOZ! (raises hands in confusion)

LOL...we can and do deal with that too, it's just that needing to do a go-around in a 4 engine 100,000 pound airplane as we are trying to get into a tanker base to get more retardant to return to a fire that is suddenly delayed by 6 minutes due to a lack of communication (or even a lack of ability to communicate) costs a lot of money and even more precious, the time we lose in returning to the incident.
 
I prefer to say "listen up you retards, I'd rather not have to play who can evade the other plane in the pattern the best yet again" I say this when I'm 50 miles out, and again when I'm on final.

Ok a slightly more serious response: the "any traffic in the area.." call does not bother me when it's used for a plane just coming into the area. I will agree it is obnoxious when people use it for every call they make on CTAF. But if it gets a guy that has decided to get lazy on the radios to start giving position reports again, I'm all for it. I imagine most of us have had the experience of flying to another airport and not hearing anything on the radios, yet there are multiple planes in the pattern, most of which are probably equipped with the ability to transmit. One would hope that the simple act of a radio call would remind everyone else to start reporting where they are, but common sense isn't really that common anymore.

I just don't understand why the "any traffic in the area please advise" gets so many pilots worked up, there are better things to get pissed about.
 
It could be something as simple as someone near the airport monitoring the frequency and allows for enhanced safety....
Number1atNumber2 said:
I prefer to say "listen up you retards, I'd rather not have to play who can evade the other plane in the pattern the best yet again" I say this when I'm 50 miles out, and again when I'm on final.

Ok a slightly more serious response: the "any traffic in the area.." call does not bother me when it's used for a plane just coming into the area.
I just don't understand why the "any traffic in the area please advise" gets so many pilots worked up, there are better things to get pissed about.
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I don't get it either, I would rather someone say something wrong than not say anything for fear of pissing you off...
 
Sedona traffic, Lancair 56DS taking the active runway 3. Any traffic please advise. Sedona.

So that's wrong? :crazy:
 
I think that "any traffic please advise" is redundant (and kind of grates a nerve with me as well). The whole purpose of self-announcing is so that others around you will know where you are, what your position and intentions are, and for them to respond as needed to keep you advised of what they are doing. The phrase ATPA is, to my way of thinking, already assumed in every self-announce transmission, so why say it again? :dunno:
 
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