Anti-UND website

I agree with everybody that said you get what you put into it. The same advice applys to just about everything in life. UND is a great school that offers many opportunities to its students.

The guy complaining sounds a lot like a guy I know who didnt finish 102 in the fall and couldnt take 221 in the spring semester. All he did spring semester was complain about how bad UND is and how it was all their fault he couldnt take 221. Truth of the matter is he goofed around fall semester and didnt bother to pick up extra flights when weathered to finish the course on time.

The quality of your education (no matter where you get it) depends on what you want to get out of it.
 
that's ok, i know people that are in 300/400 level classes that still blame UND, weather, flight instructor, etc etc etc for not finishing their flying classes. i failed to finish 414 in the spring, totally my fault. the only thing that wasn't my fault was that i had 4 instructors over the course of the semester, which slowed me down. failing to place the blame squarely at your own feet is a sure recipe for disaster. if you don't hold yourself ultimately accountable for getting your flying done in a timely manner, you're doomed to finishing stuff late. it's just that simple. this is from someone that took from january to september to finish 221 (but later did 222 in 3 months and 323 in 23 days) and is subsequently graduating in 9 semesters and 4 summers instead of 4 years. i wish i'd known 4 years ago what i know now. just a bit of advice for the newcomers.
 
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that's ok, i know people that are in 300/400 level classes that still blame UND, weather, flight instructor, etc etc etc for not finishing their flying classes. i failed to finish 414 in the spring, totally my fault. the only thing that wasn't my fault was that i had 4 instructors over the course of the semester, which slowed me down. failing to place the blame squarely at your own feet is a sure recipe for disaster. if you don't hold yourself ultimately accountable for getting your flying done in a timely manner, you're doomed to finishing stuff late. it's just that simple. this is from someone that took from january to september to finish 221 (but later did 222 in 3 months and 323 in 23 days) and is subsequently graduating in 9 semesters and 4 summers instead of 4 years. i wish i'd known 4 years ago what i know now. just a bit of advice for the newcomers.

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Grant, you're da man.
 
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Is there a well known flightschool in Vero Beach, FL? That's what's listed as the webmaster's city.

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Hmmm...imagine that.

You know, I'm all for finding fault in an institution (heck, I find fault in my own institutions all the time). However, when you're doing it because you're jealous of the competition, that makes you look like an a$$-clown.
 
dude yakima we appreciate your opininion, however you cant just make 1 post and run. That pretty much takes away any credibility you tried to establish.
 
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dude yakima we appreciate your opininion, however you cant just make 1 post and run. That pretty much takes away any credibility you tried to establish.

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Yeah, sounds like he signed up one time without any interest in aviation, only to slander UND.
 
I thought the guy made some good points about learning basic flying in overly fancy airplanes. What happens when a UND grad hits the real world and has to fly a basic 152? The guy I checked out (nicest guy in the world) had a lot more trouble than I expected. Instead of spending money on a CRJ sim, maybe they should make sure their grads can fly a Cessna. The good part was he knew his way around the Garmin 430 better than I ever will.
 
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I thought the guy made some good points about learning basic flying in overly fancy airplanes. What happens when a UND grad hits the real world and has to fly a basic 152? The guy I checked out (nicest guy in the world) had a lot more trouble than I expected. Instead of spending money on a CRJ sim, maybe they should make sure their grads can fly a Cessna. The good part was he knew his way around the Garmin 430 better than I ever will.

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Hmm....I don't know how "fancy" they are, apart from the Garmins...
...but other than the fact they're new airframes, I don't really see anything fancy in UND's airplanes.....

If the pilot has never flown a Cessna, I'm sure it'll take a bit of time to get accustomed to it.

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Plus, there is no way that you can pass your commercial checkride without being able to navigate without the GPS(s). Like Angle said, there is nothing overly fancy about these aircraft.
 
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UND's main goal is to take your money.

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Isn't that every aviation school's goal?
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UND's main goal is to take your money.

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Isn't that every aviation school's goal?
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Actually, alot of schools have some really inexpensive flight training! MTSU, NSU, etc...
 
when I visited last month, I atleast noticed that the money being put into the program from the students is going back to the program with newer planes, upkeep on buildings and the new hangar that was just built. I asked the hourly charge for the warrier and it was the same price as what I'm paying using a 1970 cherokee with no gps at my local FBO. that's my two cents worth even thought I'm not a student I can say I have visited and possibly transferring to UND for the Spring Semester just waiting to see how my credits transfer since mail takes a week to get here.
 
I dunno, but whoever created that website needs to look at the big picture.

The bigger the flight program, the higher the cost, hands down. You need bigger hangars, more admin, a bigger break room, more fuel contracts, more utility usage, etc. That's reflected in their CGS or cost of goods sold and you're going to most likely have a higher price.

Can't move the aircraft? Can't keep the lights on and certainly you're not going to stay in business.

Secondly, UND's got a pretty big flight program. So if they're going to compare the number of mishaps to say, Park College, that raw data is absolutely useless.

Now if he was going to first break down a incident rate, the data would be useable -- at least somewhat. What are the two schools reporting requirements? When I was a CFI at an FBO, contacting the FSDO or filing paperwork for anything was means for a larger, more thorough investigation. Now perhaps they have a different program at UND, I dunno.

A lot of the articles that the webmaster points to you can almost interchange any flight school ("pilot mill" or "Billy Bob Feed and Seed & FBO").

I know little about UND, but from being in the industry in one way or another since I took my first training flight back in 1987, I don't see anything necessarily remarkable and certainly, he might want to spend a bit more time studying flight academics than complaining about his flight program.

Might be a little less angry about time up in the frozen tundra.
 
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